Sorting out my parrels

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  • 18 Dec 2012 01:05
    Reply # 1162015 on 1161782
    Hi Barry and Meps.  I have had similar problems with my cambered HM sail.  The throat hauling parrel, as set up by Arne, significantly resolved my problems with the set of the sail.  It is a variation of the standard luff hauling parrel as shown in PJR.  In my experience a luff hauling parrel is essential for this rig, and Arne's system. where the parrel goes from the forward end of the yard around the mast to the front of the third batten down then straight to the deck is the most effective way of getting the sail to set properly.  I have no diagonal creases now, even though I am currently sailing with only one HK parrel rigged in the intermediate panel.  I also rigged my yard hauling parrel the way Paul Fay suggests, taking the tail to the front of the yard before bringing it down to the deck.  This allows it work in tandem with the throat hauling parrel.  When rigged in the standard PJR way, there was a lot more tension on the throat parrel as they were pulling against each other.  I have also fitted Paul Fay standing luff parrels, with plastic hose over them where they go around the mast, on all the parallel battens, making each one a bit shorter as you go up.  That forces each batten a little bit further aft as they stack and I now have perfect positive stagger when I furl. I also lashed these Paul Fay parrels, where they loop around the mast, to the battens, so they act a bit like short batten parrels.  I have only hoisted the sail at the dock since but it seems to work perfectly.  An added advantage is that it should reduce the amount by which the sail hangs away from the mast, though I don't see this as a significant problem.  I may eventually remove my long fixed batten parrels on these battens.  I attached my long fixed parrels (and HK parrels) to the battens with rolling hitches, not wanting to drill holes for saddles in the middle of the aluminium battens, in case flexing caused cracking and breakage, but they have a tendency to creep.  I recently left a long tail on the rolling hitches on the two upper fixed batten parrels and seized them to the batten.  So far they have stayed put. 

    I find these cambered sails a bit of a pain but the performance is definitely superior to a flat sail.  Nonetheless, in conversation recently with Chris Bray and his partner Jess, who recently sailed through the NW Passage on Teleport, Chris stated that he was perfectly happy with the performance of his flat sail for offshore cruising and would not trade its rugged simplicity for a bit more performance, and I tend to agree with him.  In my opinion, these cambered sails are best suited to performance oriented inshore sailing.  That's what I am doing at the moment so I am happy enough but I may go back to a flat sail if I go offshore again. 
  • 17 Dec 2012 23:52
    Reply # 1161983 on 1161782

    Hi Barry You

    You wrote -"I installed two-batten spanned combined downhaul parrels as Slieve did, or the best I could figure out how he did it. I'm seriously considering changing them out. Partly because I don't exactly understand what they are doing, and partly because the sail is still setting with some diagonal distortion and not stacking nicely when I reef it."

    and . . . . "Lastly, I've also noticed that both sails fall away from the mast quite a bit on that tack where they are to leeward. I'm not sure if this is easily fixable or even a problem"

    I have just added a modification to Chapter 11 of my write up in the Junk Info section which may be useful.  With this simpler way to rig the downhauls they hold the batten close to the mast even though they are only 'tugged' tight, and stop the battens bouncing about when the sea is lumpy.

    Take a look at Edward's rig on Emiina in the photo gallery.

    If this does not help please feel free to contact me direct if you wish, as there is something for us all to learn from your experience.

    Cheers, Slieve.

    Last modified: 18 Dec 2012 00:00 | Anonymous member
  • 17 Dec 2012 20:09
    Reply # 1161847 on 1161782
    Read Paul Fay's article. Your sails have a lot in common with Ti Gitu ie. rather higher aspect ratio than normal. Paul has got his sails pretty much sorted now, so that should provide good pointers for you.
    Last modified: 18 Dec 2012 00:03 | Anonymous member
  • 17 Dec 2012 18:44
    Message # 1161782
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    Now that I know my sails work I'm messing around with my parrels, and they are good enough to move the boat, but not quite right yet.

    Each sail has a yard hauling parrel, rigged like PJR suggests. No problems there.

    I would like to rig running throat hauling parrels, but I don't have any rope clutches or cleats to fasten them with. I plan to upgrade the rope clutches for my halyards, and then I'll free a couple up for THPs and see how that helps. But that won't be for a few weeks, and I'm sailing and messing with the rig now…so I set up standing THPs. They don't do all I want, but I think they help.

    Both sails have Hong Kong parrels set up. They seem to do a reasonable job of holding the sails in shape. (However I have read Arne and others suggestions about how a THP will help this too) I tied constrictor knots around the battens and (as I suspected) those seem to be slipping a little, so I need to find a better solution; perhaps a lashing of some sort, or find better leverage to really pull them tight. I realize that I personally don't like screws shackles or other metal hardware if I can avoid it.

    Both sails have negative stagger when I reef naturally. I've discovered that if I haul on the YHP as each batten stacks up, that will stack them better. (NOW I realize that my boom angle was insufficient for positive stagger with cambered panels, wish I'd thought of that before I cut them!)

    I installed two-batten spanned combined downhaul parrels as Slieve did, or the best I could figure out how he did it. I'm seriously considering changing them out. Partly because I don't exactly understand what they are doing, and partly because the sail is still setting with some diagonal distortion and not stacking nicely when I reef it.

    I think that some combination of normal parrels (short or long), and/or standing luff parrels as I've read that Paul Fay uses will help the sail stack better. I could also do it by hauling control lines in as the halyard is slacked, but I sure like the idea of it being automatic.

    I'm wondering if this could end up reducing my need for HKPs or at least cut the stress on them some.

    Lastly, I've also noticed that both sails fall away from the mast quite a bit on that tack where they are to leeward. I'm not sure if this is easily fixable or even a problem.

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