"Yeong" for sale.

  • 02 Feb 2016 18:15
    Reply # 3796295 on 3795427
    Asmat Downey wrote:

    Keeping those keels painted was a pain: since they were bolted to a GRP hull, shot blasting them was out of the question.

    Asmat

    I have a similar problem.  Interested to know what you found was the best way of dealing with them.

    Anthony

  • 02 Feb 2016 19:28
    Reply # 3796406 on 3792318

    Anthony,

    Nothing  I tried worked 100%. The technique that worked best for me was:-

    1) wire brush loose paint and rust off, 2) treat with Fertan rust convertor, 3) coat with moisture cured urethane paint. I found this to be easier to apply than epoxy coatings, more tolerant of ambient conditions and more durable.

    I quickly abandoned the use of grinding discs. This merely polishes the rust and risks weakening the steel by grinding it away.

    Good luck!

  • 03 Feb 2016 07:58
    Reply # 3797449 on 3792318
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    I went to see Yeong yesterday. Got a shock to see Badger berthed 10m away!! She has aquired bilge plates but still instantly recognisable. I can post a phito if I can work out how!! Yeong is in need of some work for sure. Essentially no serious money spent on her in 20 years at least. There are no ships papers pre 1995 and no registration papers or other utle papers. The keels are pierced and letting in water. The damaged areas were impossible to inspect as they are in the sand/water even at low tide. Inside is quite original and quaint. The engine wouldnt start and I am told it overheats after 10mins use. Tjey fuel tank now is a small outboard motor tank in the back cabin. The sails need cleaning and the fore yard is broken/repaired. The rigging is in poor state and will need cl replacing. I wouldnt trust any of it at sea. Large parts of the rig/ parrels have been removed and very cheap line and even rubber air hose in place of parrel beads. I am going to speak to my local shipyard about keel repairs and Ship Register in Cardiff to see what info I can get on that front. The current keepers aquired her from Mr Frank Eccles in some sort of undocumented partnership. No bills of sale or previous available and no registration. The lack of the original pre 1995 papers is most disappointing to. How will a buyer prove good title? Anyway. I havent given up yet and if it was easy then everyone would do it
  • 03 Feb 2016 10:02
    Reply # 3797601 on 3792318

    Nicholas, it might be worth signing on with KYOA. Some Kingfishers have had keels repaired by fabricating a shoe over the holed bottom part. At least one has had this done in stainless. I've no idea how active their forum is these days, but you may find some useful information there. Kingfishers are renowned for their sturdiness, being built like brick outhouses. My 26 had a layup 1 1/4" thick in the bottom of her hull. They are good seaboats too and many have completed ocean crossings.

    If you have a bill of sale using the form downloaded from the MCA website, declaring the vessel to be free of encumbrances, you needn't worry on the score of proving ownership. SSR registry does not provide proof of ownership and is unnecessary unless you intend going foreign.

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  • 05 Feb 2016 18:12
    Reply # 3802863 on 3797601
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    Asmat Downey wrote:

    Nicholas, it might be worth signing on with KYOA. Some Kingfishers have had keels repaired by fabricating a shoe over the holed bottom part. At least one has had this done in stainless. I've no idea how active their forum is these days, but you may find some useful information there. Kingfishers are renowned for their sturdiness, being built like brick outhouses. My 26 had a layup 1 1/4" thick in the bottom of her hull. They are good seaboats too and many have completed ocean crossings.

    If you have a bill of sale using the form downloaded from the MCA website, declaring the vessel to be free of encumbrances, you needn't worry on the score of proving ownership. SSR registry does not provide proof of ownership and is unnecessary unless you intend going foreign.


    Thank you for that. Now waiting to see what happens with the auction.
  • 06 Feb 2016 22:29
    Reply # 3804750 on 3792318
    Two points: it wouldn't be hard nor particularly expensive to removed the existing twin keels and have new ones fabricated.

    I am in touch with a previous owner of this boat.  I think she may be the partner of Frank 'Eccles', although that isn't the name I knew him by.  I can't see that you would need proof of previous ownership, but if for some reason you do, I could see if she would be prepared to correspond with you.  Please reply to me privately should you wish to pursue this further. 


  • 06 Feb 2016 23:00
    Reply # 3804770 on 3804750
    Annie Hill wrote:Two points: it wouldn't be hard nor particularly expensive to removed the existing twin keels and have new ones fabricated.
    Those keels are hollow, with 1/2 a ton of lead poured into each one.  The space over the lead served as the fuel tanks. 
  • 07 Feb 2016 01:19
    Reply # 3804810 on 3792318
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    The lead is poured so it forms a triangular block in the lower fron part of each keel. The remaining space is fuel tank all the way to the base. The damage from rust and the leaks arevat the toe and heel of each hollow section of keel. They also have a solid plate extension welded to each trailing edge. The shipyards wouldnt quote without seeing the job so I have no idea of the likely final bill. Yeong was Part 1 registered until 2001. the 5 year title trail will be necessary to reinstate that registration. Alternatively one could use the MCA bill of sale and Part 3 SSR.
  • 07 Feb 2016 08:36
    Reply # 3805079 on 3792318

    Nicholas, I think removing the keels would be a difficult job that can't be done without damage to the internal accommodation moulding. The K30 keel screws, 30 per keel, pass through steel backing plates which are fibreglassed in, covering the nuts. Half of the nuts are beneath the berth fronts or the dished cabin sole. The countersunk stainless steel set screws were inserted while the hull moulding was still "green": not yet fully cured. This would make it hard to get them out. The plate extending the back edge of the keels is standard.

    My own approach would be to have shoes fabricated over the bottom of the keels,where grounding damage caused on a drying mooring has made it impossible to maintain a coat of paint. I don't think the cost would be prohibitive. Forget about using the keel tanks for fuel, there's no access for cleaning and they will be filthy. 


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  • 07 Feb 2016 12:12
    Reply # 3805146 on 3805079
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    Asmat Downey wrote:

    Nicholas, I think removing the keels would be a difficult job that can't be done without damage to the internal accommodation moulding. The K30 keel screws, 30 per keel, pass through steel backing plates which are fibreglassed in, covering the nuts. Half of the nuts are beneath the berth fronts or the dished cabin sole. The countersunk stainless steel set screws were inserted while the hull moulding was still "green": not yet fully cured. This would make it hard to get them out. The plate extending the back edge of the keels is standard.

    My own approach would be to have shoes fabricated over the bottom of the keels,where grounding damage caused on a drying mooring has made it impossible to maintain a coat of paint. I don't think the cost would be prohibitive. Forget about using the keel tanks for fuel, there's no access for cleaning and they will be filthy. 

     


    Indeed, Asmat. The insides of the lockers were accessible and it was clear to see that removal of the keels is a non starter. I agree that repair and over plating with a thick sole of half inch steel is the way to go. There are spaces either side of the engine that could accommodate fuel tanks without eating to much stowage space and if the old tanks were oil filled it may stop any rot from inside and add ballast where originally intended. If I can secure her I will let you know.

    Thanks for the support and advice. Nick

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