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An update of PJR?

  • 01 Apr 2012 08:02
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    Reply # 873659 on 853529
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    I meant to mention this earlier but I'm happy to do proof reading if required.
  • 01 Apr 2012 02:20
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    David, I agree that taking the time to develop the writing for a worthy compliment to PJR. But it's very hard to get up to speed if you're just starting with junk rigs, picked up a copy of PJR and browsed to the JRA website.  Just the sailplans web pages, "the early days" shows the state of designs circa PJR, so how does one get to the sailplans "in current use", and why?  I was intimidated and confused, and it took me a long time of searching and reading to understand all the JRA developments.

    So until the material for the ideal book is ready - don't rush it -  in the meantime I think a JRA newsletter digest could be made available, and prominently so, so that a newbie could order it or print it out or download it and be brought up to speed in 200 pages read on the bus or (for the liberated) a voyage.

    Maybe what's really needed is a prominent starter page on the site: "I've read PJR. What's this new stuff all about?", or some links from the sailplans page to some explanatory articles about the pictured rigs.  And save the editing for the newsletter and future publications.

  • 31 Mar 2012 13:25
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    A glossary would be good for us less experienced Junkers, still getting confused by new terms the meanings of which don't spring readily to mind.  Preferably with pictures, either drawings or photos.  Don't mind spending some time collating stuff, but the definitions would best be refined by others.
  • 31 Mar 2012 09:32
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    Could it have a Foreward or at least an endorsement by Jock MacLeod, showing the link from PJR to the new work? 
  • 30 Mar 2012 23:01
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    Karlis,
    I think you're heading on exactly the right course - but let's not get carried away, and hoist too many panels of sail just yet.
    For instance, Slieve needs more time to polish and complete his writing before it will be in a state to be published. I will want to have got some thousands of ocean miles under my keel with Tystie's new Fantail rig before I will be happy to write and release a complete "how to", though it is showing great promise on Fantail and Footprints. All the material that is to be included will need to be subjected to a very rigorous and searching peer review by all the authors involved. 
    All this will take time. I would estimate that by the end of this year, we might have the material ready to be edited into book form, if we get some momentum going.
    I think it would be a great idea if people who are not directly working on rig development, but can stand back and take a longer view, and also have editing and publishing skills, were to take this project forward. You and David Thatcher seem to fall into that category?
  • 30 Mar 2012 22:09
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    I think this is really exciting.  Some more thoughts:

    I'd suggest creating a pdf manuscript of 200-240 pages and publish using print-on-demand (POD) though lulu or amazon createspace. That way JRA incurs no cost for printing and no one has to handle anything after the manuscript is done.  The book is advertised on the website, and orders are handled by the POD. Distribution might be another question if the idea is to get it into bookstores. Every 2-5 years the manuscript could be updated for a new editon with updated or new articles based on gained experiences.

    For content, the easiest thing would be to republish content from the website and newsletter as a collection of articles.  Reediting all the content into a unified flow would be a lot more work, but would produce a nicer result.

    In either case  layout would still need to be done. I think David does the layout for the newsletter, would be be interested/have time for the project?  I suppose my enthusiasm would suggest I'd be willing to do some work on it. . .

    Most available articles are in pdf format. To produce a consistent layout (with a unified font, etc) original docs will be needed.

    If the materials have already been published in the newsletter and on the website, does the JRA need get additional rights to re-publish in a digest?  

    A lot of the best written how-to material is from Arne, and I think he's working toward a book of his own.  How does he feel about some/all of it also being published in a JRA reader?

    I haven't seen more than 10 JRA newsletters, but I've looked at a lot of articles and writing in the forums, so I don't really know all the articles that could go into the reader.  Possibly some articles could be broken into parts to align them with sections?  Or just put together a hodgepodge of articles?

    Some more detail on possible sections and articles:

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    **Introduction(s)

    **Boat

    ---CPJR ch. 2 the Boat (Arne)

    **Sail Plans & Design (scalable plans)

    ---Fantail rig (David/Annie) 
    ---Johanna Rig (Arne) 
    ---Poppy Split Rig (Slieve)
    ---Tystie Wingsail (David)
    --cambered vs non-cambered discussion

    **Mast

    ---grown spar/calculating diameter: CPJR Ch 6 (Arne)
    ---birdsmouth (duckworks articles)
    ---aluminum
    ---composite (fibreglass/carbon) (David?)
    ---hybrid (aluminum/wood) (Annie?)

    **Yards and Battens

    --aluminum: sizes weights
    --wood: sizes
    --hinges?
    --pockets vs lashing

    **Building Sails

    ---materials review (dacron, odyssey, bedcloth, canvas, polytarp, tyvex etc, weights, costs, suppliers)
    ---CPJR ch. 5 (Arne)

    **Rigging

    ---rigging manifest: rope sizes,lengths and tackle, sheeting
    ---rigging designs: sheet arrangements, HK parrels, etc
    ---Thoat parrel vs HK parrels (Arne)

    **Sailing

    --tips on sailing??

    **Miscellanous/Appendix

    --yuloh design (Bob Groves)
    --Yuloh thoughts (Slieve)

    ----------------------

    Anyone want to add/suggest any articles or additional subjects?



  • 29 Mar 2012 12:41
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    I would buy the hard copy edition...no worries.
  • 29 Mar 2012 12:27
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    Karlis K wrote:I definitely think another book published by the JRA would be useful.  If you have the time and attention to join the JRA, read the backissues, online articles and forum discussions all the information is there, but it takes a long time to dig out all the information.  It would be great to just order a JRA reader so you can study at your leisure.  I think Arne is slowly working toward something of the sort with his cambered panel junk rig papers, but it would be nice to include views and ideas from other developers, like David Tyler, Slieve, Bob Groves, and others.   Something with more detail and modern ideas than VanLoan's, and also less complicated, more updated, practical and how-to than PJR.

    Since there wasn't this book available, I made my own by printing and binding a bunch of articles from the site.  It's missing a lot of great information that's in the forums, but I found it useful.  I incorported Arne's CPJR papers as well as articles from the above authors to include a variety of techniques and 
    viewpoints, both complex and simple. The table of contents looked like this:

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    "Modern Junk Rig Developments Reader"

    The Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Arne Kverneland

     Junk Rig for Beginners

     Preface: Chapter 1 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     The Boat: Chapter 2 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Making the Sail: Chapter 5 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Arne’s Chain Calculator

     How to Calculate Sail Area to Displacement Ratio

     The Wooden Mast: Chapter 6 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Small is Beautiful: Making a junk sail for Broremann

     Small is Beautiful, part 2: Getting Broremann back in business

     Variations of the Pilmer Sheeting

     Camber the Johanna Way

     Batten Stagger in a Junk Rig with Cambered Panels

    A Polytarp Junk Rig: Gurney Flaps and Cambers

     Mike Mulcahy

    Some Thoughts:  The Poppy Split Rig

     Slieve McGalliard

    Tystie’s Rig Update: A Junk Rig Wingsail

     David Tyler

    Easy Go Yuloh

     Bob Groves

    Some Thoughts: Is the Yuloh an Efficient form of Propulsion?

     Slieve McGalliard

    --------------------


    It would be great to set up a collaborative editing environment (google docs or something) to work towards developing a comprehensive JRA manuscript!

    We have consulted with Jock McLeod, and understand that Adlard Coles are themselves in the process of digitising PJR.
    But the idea of the JRA collating papers and articles already published in the JRA magazine, or on the JRA website into a JRA Special Edition magazine is really exciting, and could itself become a really useful tool for all our members, and a 'classic' in its own right.
    Let's go for it!!
  • 26 Mar 2012 23:11
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    I did something similar when I was getting ready to build my mast and make the sail. For the mast build I also had the Birdsmouth and calculator articles from the Duckworks site. It was a great help.
  • 26 Mar 2012 20:45
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    Reply # 868812 on 853529
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    I definitely think another book published by the JRA would be useful.  If you have the time and attention to join the JRA, read the backissues, online articles and forum discussions all the information is there, but it takes a long time to dig out all the information.  It would be great to just order a JRA reader so you can study at your leisure.  I think Arne is slowly working toward something of the sort with his cambered panel junk rig papers, but it would be nice to include views and ideas from other developers, like David Tyler, Slieve, Bob Groves, and others.   Something with more detail and modern ideas than VanLoan's, and also less complicated, more updated, practical and how-to than PJR.

    Since there wasn't this book available, I made my own by printing and binding a bunch of articles from the site.  It's missing a lot of great information that's in the forums, but I found it useful.  I incorported Arne's CPJR papers as well as articles from the above authors to include a variety of techniques and 
    viewpoints, both complex and simple. The table of contents looked like this:

    -----

    "Modern Junk Rig Developments Reader"

    The Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Arne Kverneland

     Junk Rig for Beginners

     Preface: Chapter 1 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     The Boat: Chapter 2 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Making the Sail: Chapter 5 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Arne’s Chain Calculator

     How to Calculate Sail Area to Displacement Ratio

     The Wooden Mast: Chapter 6 of the Cambered Panel Junk Rig

     Small is Beautiful: Making a junk sail for Broremann

     Small is Beautiful, part 2: Getting Broremann back in business

     Variations of the Pilmer Sheeting

     Camber the Johanna Way

     Batten Stagger in a Junk Rig with Cambered Panels

    A Polytarp Junk Rig: Gurney Flaps and Cambers

     Mike Mulcahy

    Some Thoughts:  The Poppy Split Rig

     Slieve McGalliard

    Tystie’s Rig Update: A Junk Rig Wingsail

     David Tyler

    Easy Go Yuloh

     Bob Groves

    Some Thoughts: Is the Yuloh an Efficient form of Propulsion?

     Slieve McGalliard

    --------------------


    It would be great to set up a collaborative editing environment (google docs or something) to work towards developing a comprehensive JRA manuscript!
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