Im thinking of buying this boat, a good junk?

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  • 14 Mar 2019 02:44
    Reply # 7218076 on 7217970
    Anonymous wrote:

    I have to agree with the others here, this boat is a derelict.  It would need to be taken out of the water for several years and rebuilt by someone with good timber shipwright skills.  The cabin shows major rot and I am sure you would find more elsewhere.  I like the wishbone rig, but if you want to convert to junk, the spars, although round, are too light to be used without stays, and would need to be repositioned.  Unless you had the requisite skills, and somewhere you could keep the boat during the rebuild, the costs would become astronomical.  Believe me, I have done it.  I lost a decade of my life and most of my investment when I later sold the boat. 

    If you get a steel boat, make sure every part of the steel hull below decks is accessible.  Too many have fancy fitouts that make inspection and maintenance of the hull's interior difficult or impossible.  Many steel boats rust from the inside out.  I have one, and have cruised it for 23 years.  I love the strength but am reaching a stage where the maintenance is becoming too much for me and I will probably just give the boat away in a few years.  If I could choose now, I'd go for a fibreglass or epoxy-saturated plywood boat with watertight bulkheads (I am also a bit anxious).  If you are serious about places like the Arctic, maybe a metal hull is the way to go, but for less extreme regions just stay away from reefs.  The risks of hitting a whale or container at sea are less than driving on the roads.  But watertight bulkheads would give you peace of mind if that really worries you.


    I wouldn't touch that boat with a ten foot spinnaker pole.  There's an old saying 'the bits of a boat that you don't see determines the type of the boat that you do see'.  You can see the obvious work that needs doing but what about the rest? You will need very thick rose coloured glasses for this boat. There are much better cheaper boats than this one, keep looking!
  • 14 Mar 2019 00:32
    Reply # 7217970 on 7216048

    I have to agree with the others here, this boat is a derelict.  It would need to be taken out of the water for several years and rebuilt by someone with good timber shipwright skills.  The cabin shows major rot and I am sure you would find more elsewhere.  I like the wishbone rig, but if you want to convert to junk, the spars, although round, are too light to be used without stays, and would need to be repositioned.  Unless you had the requisite skills, and somewhere you could keep the boat during the rebuild, the costs would become astronomical.  Believe me, I have done it.  I lost a decade of my life and most of my investment when I later sold the boat. 

    If you get a steel boat, make sure every part of the steel hull below decks is accessible.  Too many have fancy fitouts that make inspection and maintenance of the hull's interior difficult or impossible.  Many steel boats rust from the inside out.  I have one, and have cruised it for 23 years.  I love the strength but am reaching a stage where the maintenance is becoming too much for me and I will probably just give the boat away in a few years.  If I could choose now, I'd go for a fibreglass or epoxy-saturated plywood boat with watertight bulkheads (I am also a bit anxious).  If you are serious about places like the Arctic, maybe a metal hull is the way to go, but for less extreme regions just stay away from reefs.  The risks of hitting a whale or container at sea are less than driving on the roads.  But watertight bulkheads would give you peace of mind if that really worries you.

  • 13 Mar 2019 21:12
    Reply # 7217735 on 7216312
    Anonymous wrote:

    Ps David, how much do you imagine a junk rig would cost?

    do people here make their own?


    People do build their own rigs, I did. Keep in mind you will doing some major modifications to the boat. The present rig is useless to you and you may be able to sell it. If the photos are recent I’d say the boat has been sitting on the mooring for sometime. I would be looking for a boat with no rig at all and around 32ft LOA.
  • 13 Mar 2019 09:00
    Reply # 7216414 on 7216048

    This looks like 'a hole in the water to pour money into' to me. Nice lines above water, and if the hull is sound it might be rebuilt and refitted, but at great cost. Rot has got into the deck which is made from non-durable beech (birch?) plywood. It's too big for a singlehander, 30- 35ft would be more manageable as a rebuild project and to handle in harbour and at sea. The rig would be very large and expensive, and you would have to make it yourself. I don't expect the masts would be reusable.

    I'd be looking elsewhere, for a GRP boat of similar age.

  • 13 Mar 2019 06:39
    Reply # 7216312 on 7216048
    Deleted user

    Ps David, how much do you imagine a junk rig would cost?

    do people here make their own?


  • 13 Mar 2019 06:34
    Reply # 7216311 on 7216048
    Deleted user

    Thanks david.

    the seller has been in sydney and australia 30 years and i have spoken a few times with different boats, and i can tell you his brand is integrity. So i am viewing this sat.

    But he reckons is 99% water tight, built in 71 so it must he ok.

    cabin needs a fix and some deck, clean  paint varnish etc, change layout, ad more portholes, raise cabin maybe?

    apparenlty new sails and rebuilt engine. Bonus.

    so im tall and have noticed shorter boats dont have much head room. 

    Im also an artist and want room to store paintings etc as i travel.

    which is one reason i want a boat. To carry stuff. And make art.

    also it allowes one to reach far out places with no roads etc

    explore more.

    will this boat go into cold climates? Arctic?

    or is that best with steel?

    sorry for newby questions, but i am getting ready this year, amd going, on the cheap in need be, as adventure is a spirit. 

  • 13 Mar 2019 03:39
    Reply # 7216120 on 7216048
    Anonymous wrote:

    hi folks, can i get your opinion please.  This boat has come up, and i was originally lookng for a steel hull, mainly because im paranoid, a little, about sinking via hitting a reef etc, anyway, this is a good cheap boat, Wooden boat that i found, and it needs work, which suits my budget and skill set as a builder. But will it be a good junk?

    the masts seem rounded, like it will be ok, strong emough? Will they need repositioning?

    any comments appreciated 


    ta



    Well, it is true that a steel boat will probably save the day if you happen to hit a reef. But the problem is that a steel boat may rust through, or die of electrolysis before you ever hit the reef. The number of people that I know and who own steel boats, which they have had problems with, would put me off ever wanting to own one. Best plan is to not hit a reef!

    I am playing 'Devil's Advocate' here, but looking at the photos of the boat you are thinking about makes me think that it may end up not being a 'cheap' boat. It looks as if if there has been a lot of neglect so it is the type of older wooden boat that you would want to be very careful about assessing the condition, and thinking about on-going maintenance costs, even before you begin to change the rig, before you buy. No doubt it could be converted to junk, but also think about the cost of a large two mast rig.

    Maybe something a bit smaller and newer, even if not 'cheap', might save you a lot of money and work in the long run.

    Last modified: 13 Mar 2019 06:14 | Anonymous member
  • 13 Mar 2019 02:42
    Message # 7216048
    Deleted user

    hi folks, can i get your opinion please.  This boat has come up, and i was originally lookng for a steel hull, mainly because im paranoid, a little, about sinking via hitting a reef etc, anyway, this is a good cheap boat, Wooden boat that i found, and it needs work, which suits my budget and skill set as a builder. But will it be a good junk?

    the masts seem rounded, like it will be ok, strong emough? Will they need repositioning?

    any comments appreciated 


    ta



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