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Pictures of old junks, and making oculi

  • 20 Sep 2011 12:08
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    David Tyler wrote:Here's a document that gives a lot of information about authentic junks. On page 255, there are some pictures of the three main types of oculi, but there's nothing difficult about the simplest form, the dragon eye, it's simply a black disc nailed on top of a white disc.

    Thank you for that David that is going to be quite a read.
  • 19 Sep 2011 04:47
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    Land sakes! The wonders of modern technology! Thanks Paul. And Bob Groves very kindly 'snipped out' the bit about oculi - gosh they do look good.  I see the trans-Pacific junks had dragon oculi at the bow, so maybe I should have those for 'Fantail.'  Those are the big round ones I like so much and, who knows - they may get us inspired to get out of the rut again.  Dreams are cheap.
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  • 16 Sep 2011 10:17
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    David, that is a very interesting manuscript, I have just started to read it and am enjoying it. Annie, I'll put it on your new E-reader for you.
  • 16 Sep 2011 06:35
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    I tried to download the link, David, but it was going to take 12 minutes so I abandoned the attempt.  The Dragon eye sounds simple as, and I will think about that, but what I really wanted was one of those really bulbous eyes that junks had.  I shall see if I can find a pic to send to you Peter.  I hope your friend is happy to be volunteered!
  • 15 Sep 2011 12:53
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    Annie has sent me a rather fine painting of what she thinks are Japanese junks, which I've added to the gallery. Can anyone confirm their type?
  • 15 Sep 2011 12:45
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    Here's a document that gives a lot of information about authentic junks. On page 255, there are some pictures of the three main types of oculi, but there's nothing difficult about the simplest form, the dragon eye, it's simply a black disc nailed on top of a white disc.
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  • 15 Sep 2011 11:09
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    Annie Hill wrote:Gorgeous pictures.  It is noticeable that a goodly number of them, particularly the smaller ones, are completely innocent of stays.  That should put an end to the  frequently reiterated claim that junks had stays.

    I was tickled to death to see the mighty forward rake on many of the masts.  Fantail would fit in very nicely with those boats.

    And some have an oculus on the bow.  (No eye, no can see.)  Fantail wants one - any carvers out there with nothing better to do?
    Annie, a friend of mine is a cabinet maker. If you can find a design I may be able to help. Can't promise but he may be interested.
  • 15 Sep 2011 07:15
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    Paul Thompson wrote:

    The only modern (relative) developments that I am aware of was the adoption of cotton for sails and the Hongkong Parrels to put back diagonal stiffness that the cotton sails took away. 
    There seems to be 4 or 5 methods the chinese employed to keep sail shape, Hong Kong parrels just one of them. I don't think any of them relied on the fabric itself to hold rig shape, except the Hasler/McCleod flat sail design. (I have Worcester btw)

    I suspect when the Cantonese (Hong Kong region) got their hands on good cotton fabric they altered the design thus invented the Hong Kong junk rig. Its larger panels/fewer battens was the key, better performance i suspect.
  • 14 Sep 2011 23:06
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    Gorgeous pictures.  It is noticeable that a goodly number of them, particularly the smaller ones, are completely innocent of stays.  That should put an end to the  frequently reiterated claim that junks had stays.

    I was tickled to death to see the mighty forward rake on many of the masts.  Fantail would fit in very nicely with those boats.

    And some have an oculus on the bow.  (No eye, no can see.)  Fantail wants one - any carvers out there with nothing better to do?
  • 13 Sep 2011 09:32
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    Gary King wrote:Did the Hong Kong rig come after the heavily quilted, many more battens, northern China design?
    Hi Gary,

    As far as I'm aware, they all developed more or less at the same time but there are huge regional differences. If you want an education on the subject get hold of a copy of Junks and Sampans of the Yangtze by C E Worcester. Your local library may have a copy. It's fascinating reading and a real education. 

    The only modern (relative) developments that I am aware of was the adoption of cotton for sails and the Hongkong Parrels to put back diagonal stiffness that the cotton sails took away. 
       " ...there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in junk-rigged boats" 
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