Which dinghy for junk rig?

  • 20 Jul 2018 06:46
    Reply # 6389674 on 6382021

    Thanks - that is very useful. I'll start drawing the rig up in QCad...

  • 18 Jul 2018 12:00
    Reply # 6386965 on 6382021

    Martin, 

     I used a 5M x 7.5cm/3 inch x 3.2mm/1/8 inch Al al tube for the mast.  22mm x 1.6mm tubes for the yard and boom and 19mm x 1.6mm tubing for the battens.  

    The 19mm may be a bit light.  Slieve suggested after I posted some of the pics in my album that he probably wouldn't use anything less than 25mm in any size of dinghy for stiffness reasons.  When I did get to sail the dinghy, I didn't notice the 19mm flexing but probably larger battens and maybe yard and boom would eliminate any worries in that regard.  Someone in another thread suggested 1mm per cm of batten length as a rule of thumb, which would make the battens required 30mm.

    The tabernacle I made gave me 0.5M inserted or 10% of the overall length of the mast.   The 5M mast won't really allow you to install the full 13.5SqM/ 145 Sq ft of a regular Wayfarer.  I made it short enough to be able to go under a bridge between the club and the estuary which allows me to mount approx 10.5 SqM which for daysailing is probably more than enough.  

    If you want more sail area, you could always add some wood at top, a la Arne's boats. 

    As I wanted to be able to revert the boat back to Bermudan if the boat balance didn't work out with the Junk Rig installed, the tabernacle is made in such a way from box section steel that the mast slips down into the box section with some small wooden spacer taking up the slack.  The tube foot rests on a block of wood shaped to be supported by the  reduced size of the tabernacle which is just wide enough at the bottom to fit neatly into the original GRP tabernacle as designed by Ian Proctor.  

    The balance of the boat seemed fine with my only problem in that regard being that the centreboard's friction brake was knackered and wouldn't stay fully down and most of the time was not fully down, which is one of the reasons I think my tacking angles weren't as good as they might have been.  Still made upwind against tide, but I think the bow was always being pushed a little downwind without the support of the board being fully forward.  

    Will post some pictures  of the tabernacle into my album when I get a chance and find them.  

    Regards, Dave.

    Last modified: 18 Jul 2018 12:04 | Anonymous member
  • 16 Jul 2018 22:25
    Reply # 6384158 on 6382021
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    You might check the "Dinghy Cruising Assn." on facebook, might find just the boat you're looking for cheap there too.


    Bill

  • 16 Jul 2018 06:53
    Reply # 6382654 on 6382021

    Thanks David! What did you use for mast and batterns?

    I know the feeling re time to try it out - took at couple of years before I had time to get my rig properly tested.

  • 15 Jul 2018 20:02
    Reply # 6382123 on 6382021

    I converted a MKII Wayfarer last year to Split Junk Rig.  Unfortunately I only got 3 short sails in it last year and due to circumstances, none at all this year.  

    Some pictures are on my profile.  

    The Wayfarer's Bermudan sail plan allowed me to keep the mast in the original position.  I reinforced under the side decks in approximately the same position as the original shroud plates and just used the same forestay fitting.  I built a steel tabernacle and supported it with 3 short shrouds to stainless U-bolts on the reinforced sidedecks and the original forestay fitting.  It's a bit rough and ready but seems to work fine. NO noises or creaking in the 1.5 hours or so I got to sail.  Hope to have it back in the water before the end of July.  

    The boat sailed well in winds up to F4.  Perhaps a bit too much sail area ahead of the mast.  I think a maximum of 25% of total sail area ahead of the mast with the split bringing the length of batten ahead of the mast up toward 33% would give more positive feathering of the sail in a gust. Mine is more like 29% sail area and the split.    

    Don't be fooled by the published weights for various dinghies.  The Wayfarer's true weight is more like 230kg than 170kg which is for the bare hull with nothing added.  

    But with a 3rd wheel on the launching trolley and a 4:1 pulley system with a cleat, I have no bother getting it up the slip on my own, if a little slowly.  2 adults can manage quite easily once you have a 3rd wheel.  

    Wayfarers are very stable for a dinghy though you still have to be alert with the mainsheet in gusty conditions.  With no kicker in the way, the front of the boat has a lot more room for crew.  

    I'm happy with the conversion but still have work to do.  


    Last modified: 15 Jul 2018 20:07 | Anonymous member
  • 15 Jul 2018 18:04
    Reply # 6382067 on 6382021

    My dinghy sailing days are now more than half a century behind me now, but:

    I remember borrowing a GP14 once, and thinking what an unpleasant, unmannerly, heavy thing it was, compared with my Enterprise.

    I taught youngsters to sail in both Enterprises and Wayfarers, and they have similar characteristics, with just size to distinguish them. The Wayfarer is pleasant to sail, stable and forgiving, and I'd consider it a good choice for conversion. Only recently, I saw some unloved Wayfarers at a sailing centre in Stornoway, obviously abandoned in favour of more exciting boats, so it should be possible to pick one up.

  • 15 Jul 2018 16:19
    Message # 6382021
    I've been spoilt by my current junk rig dingy. It is so low-stress to sail that I can happily let my 3-year-old take the helm while the racers on the lake are capsizing. However this boat is a bit small for all 4 of us.

    We did take out a Wayfarer with its bermuda rig. I was amazed how stressful it was in comparison with my boat, particularly when heading downwind towards the jetty and no easy way to stop short of dropping the mainsail. I also had complaints from the kids about the noise of the sail when head to wind.

    So we need another, bigger, junk-rigged dinghy. While I would love to build a dinghy I don't have time (and there are lots of unloved GRP hulls out there), but I should be able to sort out a junk rig conversion by next season.

    So the requirements:

    • A Wayfarer is a bit heavy (170kg) but probably ok. Certainly nothing heavier.
    • Needs to take 2 adults and 2 fast-growing kids.
    • Stable
    • Preferably cheap
    Having had a preliminary play with QCAD I think that a GP14 will take a split junk rig without moving the mast (I traced Slieve's Poppy sailplan). The unstayed mast will be tricky though - the deck won't be strong enough to take the load at the partners so will need reinforcing.

    Ideas / comments? Thanks in advance!
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