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  • 26 Mar 2018 08:30
    Reply # 5997421 on 5997419
    Annie Hill wrote:
    David Tyler wrote:

    Ah, but you have a secret weapon - the bilgeboards! They make excellent roll dampers.


    Whew!! I guess that means 'no' to the beautiful varnished spar, then?
    Yup. It wouldn't fit into the tabernacle. 

    Anyway, you were going to have a hybrid, based on the 150mm tube, weren't you? In which case you can make the topmast of ... er, solid greenheart, for example, if you want weight aloft? Though I wouldn't advise it.

  • 26 Mar 2018 08:23
    Reply # 5997419 on 5996650
    David Tyler wrote:

    Ah, but you have a secret weapon - the bilgeboards! They make excellent roll dampers.


    Whew!! I guess that means 'no' to the beautiful varnished spar, then?
  • 25 Mar 2018 20:04
    Reply # 5996650 on 5987340

    Ah, but you have a secret weapon - the bilgeboards! They make excellent roll dampers.

  • 25 Mar 2018 19:20
    Reply # 5996581 on 5996165
    David Tyler wrote:

    It's worth noting that the measure of the initial stiffness (and quickness of motion) is Height of metacentre above LWL/ Beam at LWL. For the original SibLim and SibLim 9 metre, this is 0.47, which is quite high. She will be "as stiff as a church", with good sail carrying power.


    Hmmmm. I hope that doesn't mean she'll roll the cups off the table at anchor!   Maybe I'd better make a wooden mast to soften the roll!
  • 25 Mar 2018 09:31
    Reply # 5996165 on 5987340

    It's worth noting that the measure of the initial stiffness (and quickness of motion) is Height of metacentre above LWL/ Beam at LWL. For the original SibLim and SibLim 9 metre, this is 0.47, which is quite high. She will be "as stiff as a church", with good sail carrying power.

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  • 21 Mar 2018 17:50
    Reply # 5991244 on 5987340
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    David’s numbers make sense to me (40% ballast, 45sqm sail, one mast). When I warned against very high ballast ratio, I guess I had Johanna (47%) and Ingeborg (58%) in mind. These, in particular the IF, are more meant for shorter trips and racing, so are not meant for carrying big loads.

    Annie, I guess the ballast ratio is mostly given with no or little load. As Badger sunk deeper and deeper when loaded more and more, the ballast-to-actual-displacement ratio must have dropped a lot, but as long as most of the load was stuffed at or below the waterline, it would just make Badger feel better and better. Dory hulls are great load carriers. It would have been a different story if most of the loads were carried in boxes on deck.

    Arne


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  • 21 Mar 2018 09:21
    Reply # 5990519 on 5990469
    Iain Grigor wrote:

    What rig?  Sloop or schooner? 

    Single sail, of about 480 sq ft/ 45 sq m. She's not into the size range where the rig should be split, unless a weaker crew needs the lower loads and easier handling, and can tolerate the extra complexity. If so, a schooner rig is a possibility.
  • 21 Mar 2018 08:54
    Reply # 5990469 on 5987340
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    What rig?  Sloop or schooner? 

  • 21 Mar 2018 08:17
    Reply # 5990449 on 5990424
    Annie Hill wrote:
    David Tyler wrote:

     a 40% ballast ratio, and I wouldn't ever want to go for less than that, for any offshore boat.

    I'm not sure if I'd agree with you there, David.  Badger had, in theory, a 40% ballast ratio, but in reality it was much more like 30%.  She was very comfortable at sea.  And I think you would find a lot of the older, wooden cruising yachts had a ballast ratio of less than 35%.

    However, there are so many other factors to take into account - it's hardly surprising that beginners get bewildered at all the information and statistics that are burled at them - but, as we've said before, probably the most important is the skipper! 


    OK, that should have been - 40% ballast ratio, and I wouldn't ever want to go for less than that for an offshore shoal draught boat.
  • 21 Mar 2018 07:07
    Reply # 5990424 on 5988583
    David Tyler wrote:

     a 40% ballast ratio, and I wouldn't ever want to go for less than that, for any offshore boat.

    I'm not sure if I'd agree with you there, David.  Badger had, in theory, a 40% ballast ratio, but in reality it was much more like 30%.  She was very comfortable at sea.  And I think you would find a lot of the older, wooden cruising yachts had a ballast ratio of less than 35%.

    However, there are so many other factors to take into account - it's hardly surprising that beginners get bewildered at all the information and statistics that are burled at them - but, as we've said before, probably the most important is the skipper! 


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