Tenders

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  • 05 Jan 2011 21:02
    Reply # 490012 on 489103
    Anthony,

    The Welsford "Roof Rack" would be very easy to build in aluminum. If I were you, I'd find a local fabricator who works in aluminum (probably builds tanks etc) Ask him whats the thinest stock he can easily weld. That should be around 2 to 3mm. For this case 2mm would be better but 3mm will work very well as well.

    Then propose to your fabricator that he orders the material (5000 series material he will most likely be able to get it cheaper than you can and his small profit on the material will sweeten him up as well) and welds up the dinghy for you. You cut out the panels (just needs a good jigsaw and the correct blade) and then using the same technique that you'd use for stitch and glue construction, you drill some holes close to the edge (3 - 4 mm) and then pull the shape together wiring as you go. You want to use as few wires as possible as the holes will need to be welded close. When you are done, the whole structure will be quite stiff and you can then take it to the fabricator and have him weld it up for you.

    You may need to stiffen the bottom a little. Three or so stringers from aluminum angle (about 30x30x2 or 3mm, placed so the open side of the triangle is against the plate) will do the trick. The stringers should not be fully welded, just staggered long tacks (about 25-35mm). leave the ends open. The stingers can be inside or outside. I'd put them outside as it would make cleaning the inside easier and will give the bottom a bit of protection.

    For the gunal (spelling?) 25mm tubing can be tacked on. The above should give you a light and near indestructable dinghy at a very reasonable price. No need to paint.
  • 05 Jan 2011 11:14
    Reply # 489705 on 489611
    Paul Thompson wrote: Anthony,

    I have no experience of the dinghy that you are considering, I do however have an 8ft aluminum ParkerCraft dinghy (a New Zealand brand), You can pick it up with one hand (if you do so from the middle or ends). To get it over the life lines, I installed a piece of PVC pipe (1inch dia) over the top life line wire. It permits me to grab the panter and haul the dinghy over the life line. I also put plastic hose around the gunal and that proctects both the dinghy and mothership.

    I used to have an inflatable, which is undoubtedly the best for rough water if you have an outboard but I got tired of repairing the punctures and got rid of it.

    On the anchor side, I have a 45lb CQR on a bow roller. It is always ready to go with a moments notice. When voyaging, the anchor is stowed amidships or down below. As soon as I enter coastal waters, it goes back to the bow roller.

    Anchor gear in the locker does not do much good. The anchor needs to be ready and available at all times in coastal waters.
    Paul

    I like the idea of an aluminium dinghy, for just the reason you mention, but there don't seem to be any available in the UK which are sufficiently small.  It has to be under 7 feet to fit athwartships in the space available.

    For manhandling, the Welsford boat comes in at about 60lb, and Slieve has sent me details of several others of about the same weight.
  • 05 Jan 2011 11:03
    Reply # 489701 on 489402
    David Tyler wrote:Zuleika Louise carries very heavy ground tackle, doesn't she? I'm certain that if I tried to lay a 35lb anchor and 30m of chain using a very small dinghy, I'd drown myself. My kedge is 22lb with 5m of 8mm chain, and that's all I care to manage in a 9ft hard dinghy if it's choppy (and it's likely to be, if you need the kedge). An inflatable is more stable, and has more buoyancy.
    A hard dinghy is harder to get over the rail than an inflatable. It's taken two of us up to now,  on Tystie, and as another elderly gent, now single-handing, I'm going to have to invent a system for doing it without knocking paint off the tender and Tystie. Thanks to my davits, though, I only need to get the dinghy on deck for long offshore passages.
    ZL is herself a heavy little number, with all that iroko, and I am entirely happy with her ground tackle.  In fact, the Bruce is intended for quick deployment in preventing myself from getting into embarrassing situations .  Having got into said situations, for hauling myself off I have an elderly Hall-type anchor of about 20lb, with 5m of chain and 50m of rope, which normally serves as the stern anchor.  

    The Zodiac is too big to carry on deck inflated, and in any event, it's never going to row well against a headwind, so, for this purpose, I have ruled it out.  

    Zuleika has solid guardrails, which I have found on a previous boat to be an advantage when getting dinghies over the side, in that you can pivot the dinghy on the rail, rather than having it swaying back and forth, binding on the top wire.  I quite agree that getting a 9ft tender over the side would be a major operation, but I am hoping that a sub-7ft one will be workable.
  • 05 Jan 2011 03:27
    Reply # 489611 on 489103
    Anthony,

    I have no experience of the dinghy that you are considering, I do however have an 8ft aluminum ParkerCraft dinghy (a New Zealand brand), You can pick it up with one hand (if you do so from the middle or ends). To get it over the life lines, I installed a piece of PVC pipe (1inch dia) over the top life line wire. It permits me to grab the panter and haul the dinghy over the life line. I also put plastic hose around the gunal and that proctects both the dinghy and mothership.

    I used to have an inflatable, which is undoubtedly the best for rough water if you have an outboard but I got tired of repairing the punctures and got rid of it.

    On the anchor side, I have a 45lb CQR on a bow roller. It is always ready to go with a moments notice. When voyaging, the anchor is stowed amidships or down below. As soon as I enter coastal waters, it goes back to the bow roller.

    Anchor gear in the locker does not do much good. The anchor needs to be ready and available at all times in coastal waters.
  • 04 Jan 2011 20:48
    Reply # 489402 on 489103
    Zuleika Louise carries very heavy ground tackle, doesn't she? I'm certain that if I tried to lay a 35lb anchor and 30m of chain using a very small dinghy, I'd drown myself. My kedge is 22lb with 5m of 8mm chain, and that's all I care to manage in a 9ft hard dinghy if it's choppy (and it's likely to be, if you need the kedge). An inflatable is more stable, and has more buoyancy.
    A hard dinghy is harder to get over the rail than an inflatable. It's taken two of us up to now,  on Tystie, and as another elderly gent, now single-handing, I'm going to have to invent a system for doing it without knocking paint off the tender and Tystie. Thanks to my davits, though, I only need to get the dinghy on deck for long offshore passages.
  • 04 Jan 2011 11:29
    Message # 489103
    I recently had the sacrificial drive-coupling link shear in a strong tide and no wind in Yarmouth river.  Before I could rouse out the anchor Zuleika Louise was on the putty, and before I could get-out and inflate the Zodiac (a 30-minute operation) and salvage myself, I was towed off in ignominy by the smiling Harbourmaster.  

    Two things occurred to me.  Firstly, it would be sensible when inshore to have some sort of anchor instantly available.  I now have my 35lb Bruce stowed on the bow roller, with 30m of chain in a deck box and 50m of braidline hanked to the block rail, while the best bower continues to slumber in its secure stowage, with chain leading below.

    Secondly, with a hard tender stowed on deck, I could have been on the water and laying out a kedge in a fraction of the time it takes to get the inflatable into commission.  As a result, I have decided to get busy with the plywood and epoxy and build myself a tender.  It needs to be small enough to fit upside-down athwartships, light enough for one elderly gent to manhandle aboard, and tough enough to mix it with all and sundry at the dinghy pontoon, and the leading candidate at the moment is John Welsford's 'Roof Rack'.

    The reason for this long ramble is to enquire whether anyone has experience of building this dinghy?  If so, any tips or advice would be much appreciated.
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