Limber holes under mast step?

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  • 13 May 2017 09:37
    Reply # 4830988 on 4830947
    peter johnson wrote:Well i agree with annie except for her choice of Gougeon bros. There are better epoxy systems around now that have move streach  built into them.
    Peter, when I referred to the Gougeon Bros system, I meant their technique for bonding in fastenings rather than their glue system. 

    (And having done a fair bit of research into available epoxies in NZ, I have to tell you there is little in the way of an alternative - certainly nothing like the product that you use.)

  • 13 May 2017 08:33
    Reply # 4830947 on 4830544
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    Annie Hill wrote:

    Does your boat leak?  Is there any chance of water ending up forward of the mast step in the first place?  (If you stove the bow in, I reckon limber holes will be the least of your worries!)  On SibLim, there is a water-tight bulkhead forward of the tabernacle and the deck hatch will be abaft it.  I see no reason to bother with limber holes.  On Fantail there was a chance of the forehatch leaking, but the bunk would have mopped it up first (not a pleasant thought), but it was unlikely that large quantities of water would come down.

    Limber holes are a necessity on a carvel wooden boat, which is likely to weep occasionally between its planks.  They are necessary where people have gone and made holes in the water-tight hull, and, sad to say, a lot of boats have deck leaks.  Many boats have inboard engines with stuffing boxes that are designed to leak a little.  However, if you have no hulls through the hull, bed down your deck fittings properly (I'd either use the Gougeon Bros system or butyl rubber) and have a dry seal or an outboard engine, you really shouldn't have water in your bilge.  And if that is the case, you don't need to worry about limber holes.

    If you think you are likely to discover water forward of the mast, then install your step with limber holes.  Otherwise, do whatever you feel most comfortable with, would be my suggestion.

    Well i agree with annie except for her choice of Gougeon bros. There are better epoxy systems around now that have move streach  built into them.

    If you do have a weepy engine instalation put a watertight dam or bulkhead in with a pump you dont want the mess from the engine area  floating through your boat

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  • 13 May 2017 00:45
    Reply # 4830544 on 4829686

    Does your boat leak?  Is there any chance of water ending up forward of the mast step in the first place?  (If you stove the bow in, I reckon limber holes will be the least of your worries!)  On SibLim, there is a water-tight bulkhead forward of the tabernacle and the deck hatch will be abaft it.  I see no reason to bother with limber holes.  On Fantail there was a chance of the forehatch leaking, but the bunk would have mopped it up first (not a pleasant thought), but it was unlikely that large quantities of water would come down.

    Limber holes are a necessity on a carvel wooden boat, which is likely to weep occasionally between its planks.  They are necessary where people have gone and made holes in the water-tight hull, and, sad to say, a lot of boats have deck leaks.  Many boats have inboard engines with stuffing boxes that are designed to leak a little.  However, if you have no hulls through the hull, bed down your deck fittings properly (I'd either use the Gougeon Bros system or butyl rubber) and have a dry seal or an outboard engine, you really shouldn't have water in your bilge.  And if that is the case, you don't need to worry about limber holes.

    If you think you are likely to discover water forward of the mast, then install your step with limber holes.  Otherwise, do whatever you feel most comfortable with, would be my suggestion.

  • 12 May 2017 19:10
    Reply # 4830095 on 4829686
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Scott, at least my mast steps let water pass under them. See the lowest (of 6 16mm) layers of plywood which build up the mast sole for Ingeborg.



    Layer one of the mast sole at the workbench. Step forward 5-6 times for more details.

    Last modified: 12 May 2017 19:11 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 12 May 2017 16:42
    Message # 4829686
    Deleted user

    I've noticed on more than a few photos, Arne's and David Tyler's come to mind, that there don't seem to be many limber holes under mast steps.

    I don't mean the mast drain, I mean limber holes that let water forward of the mast step find its way aftward into the bilge. 

    The hull under my mast step is pretty flat, and I'd prefer not to add the height required to put a limber hole underneath, if the general consensus is to let any water work itself around the edges.  What says the collective?

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