Engineless Junk

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  • 20 Apr 2017 02:08
    Reply # 4764456 on 4762649

    Hi,

    the person you should contact is Alan Martenson off Zebedee. He has been sailing his shallow draft Benford dory without an engine for over ten years. Much of his sailing is single handed and he has completed a circumnavigation. I believe that your Elizabethan 31 has a more weatherly hull then the Benford dory so I do not think it will be a problem going without an engine. I heartily recommend having a yuloh and learning to use it efficiently

    David.

  • 20 Apr 2017 00:48
    Reply # 4764356 on 4762649

    I sailed Arion for 10 years with just a small outboard motor on the transom for maneuvering in harbours.  It was useless in any sort of swell.  We got by with a few close scrapes and a lot of patience, which is why I fitted a small diesel engine eventually.  I believe a small engine is very useful.  I originally had a bermudian rig on Arion and the only difference with my junk rig is that I do not have any light weather sails.  One answer to this, which I was unable to do on Arion, being a short and heavy vessel, is to give your junk rig more sail area than the working bermudian rig.  Tom Colvin liked about 35% extra, which is about the same as a bermudian rig with light weather genoa or reacher flying.  Paul Thompson on La Chica added 50%, and I hear that LC is no slouch.  You just reef earlier, which is so easy with junk rig, and once the sail starts coming down, so does your weight aloft.  The taller masts, without standing rigging, do not affect the centre of gravity very much, if at all.  When Arion's sail is furled, the weight aloft is significantly less than it was with the old bermudian rig.  It makes Arion's motion a bit corkier in an open roadstead (I am rolling and bobbing as I type).  Sometimes I think about borrowing the practice of old Breton fishermen, who used to hoist an anchor up the mast when hove to at sea, to ease the motion!

  • 19 Apr 2017 18:29
    Reply # 4763711 on 4762649
    Deleted user

    With the newer cambered sails that let a junk go to windward about as well as a Bermudian, I wouldn't think that a junk is any more susceptible to lee-shore clawing than a BR.

    Getting suddenly stuck in a seaway with no wind and a nuclear submarine bearing down on you, or with a current setting you against the rocks, is the same in a Junk vs any other floating log.  Having been in each of those positions, I don't wish to repeat either.  I'm putting in an electric engine that'll give me 10 NM range in a pinch.  I

    There are plenty of people who sail without engines.

    Then again, there are plenty of people who smoke cigarettes and don't wear seatbelts, and people who hike tall mountains over rough terrain to enjoy the peace and quite as well as the challenge.  We all weigh our risks and takes our chances for every activity.  It looks like you've already done the weighing for the BR and determined you don't need an engine - I don't see that the junk changes the factors in your equation.

     

  • 19 Apr 2017 11:20
    Message # 4762649
    Deleted user

    Hi All,

    I am interested in any feedback from members regarding going engineless with a junk rig. I was always interested in sailing without an auxiliary from my youth, and when my 54' ketch lost its engine in Mexico several years ago, I decided to keep her that way, with no regrets.

    I have now started to the design to convert my Elizabethan 31 to a junk rig, and am seriously considering selling the engine in the process. Would losing it seriously compromise safety with a junk rig anymore than what it does with a Bermudian?

    James

    Last modified: 19 Apr 2017 11:22 | Deleted user
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