Reduced sail in storm

  • 28 Aug 2016 05:43
    Reply # 4214030 on 4212615
    Deleted user

    When we anchored in THE storm last year (75 knots - cyclone category II strength), we did have the foresail lowered to deck. But the main wasn't, with the panels drooping loosely, still they didn't flap. 

    We've sailed offshore in 35 knots (often) with only 1 panel up on each mast (to keep the speed under 6 knots), and the battens stayed put. They are the lighter weight alu battens too. The only line we have to hold anything down is a downhaul on the yard.

    The only part which flaps about and makes a noise are the halyards while at anchor, which we bungy.

    As others have stated, the only risk is while gybing in a gale.

    Last modified: 28 Aug 2016 05:46 | Deleted user
  • 27 Aug 2016 21:37
    Reply # 4213788 on 4212615

    mehitabel's experience is that the furled bundle behaves well in the lifts in any wind, and there's never a need to use extra ties to tame loose fabric. 'No deck work' philosophy.

    But I often tie the bundles near the mast and at ~3/4 chord, for two reasons: 

    1) The reefed sails shape better, with less twist and a tighter leach (matters most if sailing to windward - into shelter, say.) 

    2) If I'm thinking about gybing and the wind is very strong, and the bundles are already bundled, it's safe to do (however dramatic.)

    So I have beckets pre-fed through eyelets just above whichever batten, and I catch the becket each side of the sail and tie under with a slip reef knot. Easy to undo when I round up to raise sail. Easy enough to move the beckets according to optimism, or precaution.

    (If I had batten pockets, I'd have punched holes through for the purpose by now.)

    In the Trades, I'll go around for days with unnecessary reefs tied in unnecessarily. The little sails work really well, and I can't always be bothered to haul up the whole lot and take longer getting off anchor, just to take longer dropping it all to get anchored again several hours later. 'No extra work' philosophy.

    Cheers, Kurt

  • 27 Aug 2016 21:07
    Reply # 4213726 on 4212615
    I don't recall ever tying the sail down in gale force and above: indeed, that's the very last time you want to be dancing around on deck.  On Badger we had yard downhauls which did a similar job (but not as good, I suspect) as Arne's fan-up preventer.  I will fit a fan-up preventer to my next sail.  (I'd started putting one on Fantail, but never finished the job.)  This would also prevent the sail from 'inflating' if you are tied up stern to a very strong wind.  In very heavy conditions, we used to run with just the bundle of the mainsail squared of.  I suppose it gave as much sail area as a tiny storm jib.
  • 27 Aug 2016 08:36
    Reply # 4212933 on 4212615
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Steve,

    I find that the sails I use set almost better and better as I reef. They work exceptionally well with only three or two panels up, and the reefed bundle stays quiet. It is best not to have too much balance, i.e. sail before the mast when reefing, or the reefed bundle may flutter at the luff (..there is no lazyjack before the mast, as my sails have quite little balance.). It seems to me that the stout webbing I use at luff and leech, discourages the sail from fluttering. I haven’t  been in a ‘one panel wind’ yet, but I guess that would call for tying the top (un-sheeted) batten down in the aft end.  I would recommend using a fan-up preventer, though, to reduce the likelihood of serious trouble in a sudden gybe.

    Arne

     

  • 27 Aug 2016 01:08
    Reply # 4212660 on 4212615
    Deleted user

    I am always surprised how neatly the sail bundle stows itself on the boom, (sail catcher on Footprints). I think the weight of the battens on top of the lowered sail panels helps to keep things under control. Even in strong winds when well reefed down the furled portion of the sail sits quietly. The exception on Footprints is the leech end of the sail which quietly flaps around because with the fan shaped sail the leech end of the battens do not sit parallel to the boom when the sail is reefed but lift up at a slight angle towards the aft end of the sail. On a sail with most of the battens parallel to the boom this would not happen.

  • 27 Aug 2016 00:37
    Message # 4212615
    Anonymous

    For those with storm experience:  do the 'collapsed' lower panels simply lie peacefully in the lazy-jacks, or, when sail is greatly reduced, do you need to further secure the collapsed panels to keep the 'reefed' fabric and battens from flapping about in severe conditions?  Thank you.

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