Engineering backwards

  • 02 Aug 2016 01:48
    Reply # 4168183 on 4167500
    Deleted user

    Thanks Arne,

    On the website it says 6063 t6

    I can't find any over here taller or thicker and don't want to 

    Err on the weak side, so back to the drawing board I guess,

    Ive figured out my CLR and my CE is easy because I'm putting in 2 sails 

    The same size, I'm trying to sort out my mast so I can 

    Design my sails and then find my placement

    Does this sound ridiculous? 

    I'm letting my materials dictate some of my design


  • 01 Aug 2016 20:53
    Reply # 4167832 on 4167500
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    John,

    the yield  strength (Sigma) depends on the alloy. For 6082-T6 alloy Sigma=250MPa while for 6060-T6 alloy it is only 150MPa.

    The 10” light poles
    With the masts’ max diameter, D=10” (254mm) and the wall thickness is 0.312” (7.925mm) , and with the 6082-T6 alloy, the bending (yield) strength,

    Mb=9300kpm.

    That is, if I got my sums right.

    If the mast is a 6060-T6 alloy, at 150MPa, the strength should drop to
    MB=5600kpm

    Now, if we roughly calculate the knock-down righting moment of your vessel, and guess the righting arm to be 1/5 of the beam, the righting moment should be

    MR= Disp x Beam /5 = 23600kg x 4.32m /5 =20390kpm

    In other words, the righting moment appears to be twice the bending strength of one mast (if 6082-T6 is used).

    Samson’s mast
    For comparison, if I compare with the ferro yacht Samson in Stavanger, at the same displacement, its solid pine main mast is 350mm diameter, which should give a max bending moment of

    MB= 19000kpm,

    even with a conservative strength factor Sigma =44.8MPa

    To me it appears that your aluminium light poles are on the light side, but this is actually outside my area of experience, so I hesitate to draw a hard and fast conclusion.

    Cheers, Arne

    PS: By spreading the sail load on two masts, and taking a bit care, it may still work. The question is if the masts are stiff enough to avoid whipping around in a seaway. I don’t have a clue about that.

     

  • 01 Aug 2016 18:31
    Message # 4167500
    Deleted user
    Here goes another random question for the educated

    I recently posted regarding my Hudson force 50 and since have immersed 

    Myself in PJR and everything else I can find also thanks to Timothy 

    Who gave me some great insight,

    I'm leaning to aluminum flag poles for my two mast and need approx

    550 square ft of sail per so I stArted looking for light poles and Lightmart

    Has 40ft poles for 2381$ each with a 10" base and 4" top with a .312 thickness

    T6 grade, I have 6' of bury although with some doings "extended solid plug' 

    I think I can get this to 2-3 ft

    It seems as though this would be rather low aspect rig 'I don't care'

    Please let me know your thoughts? Strength? 

    Is rather err on the strong side 





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