Anarchy in Junk Rigged Website World

  • 25 Jan 2016 18:17
    Reply # 3780512 on 3779438
    Deleted user
    Gary King wrote:

    If WA has a way to convert this site easily to a responsive one I think it would be worthwhile. To be viewable on phones and small tablets would make the experience closer to the paper newsletter. 

    What I mean is, presently this non responsive site needs a computer to view it, and computers are a sit forward - at the desk viewing experience, as opposed to TV, which is a "sit back" experience. More relaxing. Viewing on a phone or tablet is comparable to a "sit back" experience, (and I happen to know people who only use the internet on their phone -they are out there..). 

    Something to consider. ;)



    I often visit the website via my mobile phone and find that it loads quickly and I can navigate the site quite easily. Of course on a 4 inch screen the experience has it's limitations. But I guess the success of using the site via a mobile phone depends on a number of factors such as quality of mobile connection and processor speed of the phone.  

    This is in the wake of news yesterday that mobile phone usage has apparently doubled since 2012 with the widespread adoption of 'smart' phones and the uses we can put them to. Sometimes we even make phone calls on them!

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  • 25 Jan 2016 13:02
    Reply # 3780017 on 3779438
    Anonymous
    I very rarely use a phone to browse the web, and wouldn't do so unless I absolutely had to - it's painfully slow, not just for this site but all sites.

    I do occasionally use a tablet, however, and not a very high-performance one. I have found that the JRA site responds at about the same rate as, for example, the BBC news site - typically each page takes around 4-5 seconds to load.

    It is not my experience that this site is significantly less responsive than others, but Gary is not the first to say he has found it so. Sometimes it is difficult to separate the effects of a slow connection from those of an unresponsive site, and some of the images and pdf files on this site are pretty large. I would never consider trying to view such content on a phone.

    There have been moves in the past to create a mobile device-friendly version of the site but not much has come of it -  it requires both a lot of skill and a lot of dedication to see such a project through.

    If anyone else has found the JRA site significantly less responsive than comparable web sites we'd like to know about it.

    Chris

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  • 25 Jan 2016 09:12
    Reply # 3779438 on 3717756
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    If WA has a way to convert this site easily to a responsive one I think it would be worthwhile. To be viewable on phones and small tablets would make the experience closer to the paper newsletter. 

    What I mean is, presently this non responsive site needs a computer to view it, and computers are a sit forward - at the desk viewing experience, as opposed to TV, which is a "sit back" experience. More relaxing. Viewing on a phone or tablet is comparable to a "sit back" experience, (and I happen to know people who only use the internet on their phone -they are out there..). 

    Something to consider. ;)


  • 23 Jan 2016 10:18
    Reply # 3776669 on 3717756

    Remember Hutber's Law:  "Improvement means Deterioration."   

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  • 23 Jan 2016 00:08
    Reply # 3776201 on 3717756
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    For quite a number of years, I participated on a forum which discusses "adventure motorcycling." The site is enormous, with hundreds of thousands of members from all parts of the globe.

    I had numerous maps, ride reports, and discussions which amounted to hundreds of hours of labor posted there.

    Last year, the administrators decided to upgrade to the latest version of their hosting software. It appears that the major change was to enable a more Facebook-like, chat-friendly format. In my opinion, the "upgrade" was a complete failure. Many others I've spoken to agree. The format we'd been accustomed to for many years vanished in a day. I cannot find or share posts that I made or share information with any flexibility. It's not as if I'm at all computer illiterate. I've been using personal computers since they existed, and worked on mainframes before that. I'm not much on HTML, but I used to be able to interpret a Postscript "stack dump," and I used CPM and DOS version 1.

    "New" isn't always better. Microsoft has proved that handily quite a number of times. While the JRA forum is not the newest and flashiest, it works reasonably well. It's also lightweight in comparison to many others. If I was on a sketchy marina connection trying to figure out a problem on the 9 year-old laptop that accompanies me on the boat, I'd far rather deal with a slightly stodgy look and feel than wait 20 minutes for stunning graphics to load. (And the inevitable advertising as well.)

    In New England, we say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." I hardly think this format has outlived its usefulness.

    Last modified: 23 Jan 2016 00:10 | Deleted user
  • 22 Jan 2016 22:06
    Reply # 3776093 on 3717756
    Anonymous

    I agree with the Davids.

    WA may not be the best tool in the world for setting up and maintaining a web site, but it has allowed my predecessors, most of whom like me are self-taught amateurs, to do a pretty good job.

    The problem is, it has grown piecemeal as the content has expanded, and the structure has therefore become a little disorganised. When incongruities are pointed out to me (e.g. Annie has recently indicated how unintuitive the location of the Constitution is), I try to fix it (It's now under 'About Us' in the menu system). 

    I have neither the time nor inclination to undertake a complete overhaul/redesign of the site (nor, probably, the skills). I believe my feeling that the site is perfectly adequate to our needs is not overly influenced by this fact.

    Chris

  • 22 Jan 2016 20:40
    Reply # 3775993 on 3717756

    I set up this site, way back in 2010. At that time, WA was very much simpler - it really was "Websites for Dummies", which is what I needed, as I had no previous experience.

    Since then, and especially with v.5, it's become more complicated and less intuitive. OK, you can now do more things with it, if you have the skill, but I rather think that WA have lost track of who their core market is, ie, the average Club Secretary who has average computer skills, can manage Office software without problems, but has no experience of website design and doesn't want to get too involved in it, as he has other more important thing to do.

    as far as the appearance of this site goes,the webmaster could change this with one click of the mouse, if it were thought desirable. There are many templates available, it's a simple matter of choosing one. But I took the view that our membership ranges from the fully-skilled, HTML at their fingertips, down to those who scarcely know how to operate a computer keyboard. We should, I believe, keep the presentation very plain, concentrating on content, and steering clear of the full-on eye-catching pizzazz that I see on some other sites.

    I would like to see some reorganisation of the content we already have, and of course the addition of more content, but festina lente, please, for the benefit of those with a lower level of computer skill. I, too, would like to see pages that are quicker to load and easier to work with on slow-speed connections, and low-capacity devices, but when I looked at this, I found that it would be necessary to duplicate all the pages, in essence making a new site in parallel to the existing site, and doubling the work of the webmaster's team. Possible, I suppose, if there were a webmaster's assistant who would take this on as his sole responsibility... But there would have to be two sets of fora,and this would inevitably lead to a split in the membership, depending on which site they patronised. All in all, I think we have pretty much correct as it is. Apart from adding content and organising that content well. It's down to us, the members, to supply the content. Only then can the current web team begin to work with it.

  • 22 Jan 2016 20:03
    Reply # 3775887 on 3717756
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    I just want to put in my vote of appreciation for our website. Yes there may be a more modern look which a professional designer could come up with, but in terms of content vs. what we pay per year for access to the association and website I feel that we are more than getting our monies worth. There are useful articles which cover a wide range of junk rig knowledge and informed comment on the forum which myself and a lot of other people have found very useful.

    I am a member of Facebook, mostly to keep up with family members who live in other parts of New Zealand, and other parts the world, and it is interesting to see photos of what my children and grandchildren are up to because Facebook has the ability to put you in touch when you cannot physically be there.

    Maybe one useful addition to the website could be a 'Facebook' type section where people could post photos and comment in an easier and more instant manner than we currently have available, but I do not have the expertise to suggest how that could be done.

    Re other sailors not knowing what a junk rig is - I have experienced this a lot recently. In New Zealand this could be due to the fact that there really are very few junk rig yachts in the country but when I tell other boating people that I have a junk rig yacht I see a completely blank look on their face.

    Last modified: 22 Jan 2016 20:07 | Deleted user
  • 20 Jan 2016 21:15
    Reply # 3771378 on 3717756

    The only change I'd like, though I suspect it would be difficult to implement, would be for the search engine to look at content rather than just topic headings, like a proper Google search, since the heading s don't always fully reflect content.  Otherwise, I find it an easy site to navigate and interact with on my laptop computer.

  • 20 Jan 2016 12:26
    Reply # 3770268 on 3717756
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    Yes, the site isn't "responsive", but, I'm with the other guy, content is king, unless you can make it responsive without disrupting anything.

    The menu on the left may need some more thought...  its not easy tho..

    As to sailors having no idea what a junk is, I don't think that is normal. Ignorant of how they handle definitely, but most tend to know of them.

    Anyway, it seems you landed the job of asst webmaster pretty quick. Good job! And welcome!

    Last modified: 20 Jan 2016 12:26 | Deleted user
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