Hello, newbie here (questions)

  • 30 Jul 2015 18:31
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    Thanks for the welcome Annie!

    David: I hear you, I'll definitely give them a look... However I do want to make my own, I don't know if that's vanity or an appreciation for the old way.. and I guess partly because I've made a dugout canoe and I'm comfortable with making one. Or maybe it's because if it's wood or bamboo, as long as I have even just a machete I know i can fix things... I'm going to study the Searunners though, thanks.

    Graham: I think I will go with modern blocks, yes. I've been studying how ribs are made for Caribbean and South American dugouts when their sides are extended as well as Tao and Filipino boats... I think I have a plan for the masts. Perhaps if I use thick timber bamboo for masts, supported at their based in a sheath of hardwood, it'll be light enough and yet durable enough?

    Gerald: great point! I didn't even think of that, much appreciated. Not every shore will be sand of loose gravel or a thicker of marsh reeds... My thinking was since I've only paddled on rivers and swamp and the open ocean seems somewhat daunting if I had to beach it'd be easier if I was near land... But if it's cliff, rocks, industrial grounds... Maybe I don't want to be washed into those... 

    I'm planning to practice sail all around Cape Cod and the coastal waters around New Hampshire and Maine before embarking on the long voyage... I'm sure I'll do plenty of learning..

  • 21 Jul 2015 13:53
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    Vincent Tseng wrote:

     The adventure is to sail from Boston to Miami (and back). I think coastal sailing, never staying too far from shore would be safest... 

    Any and all advice is appreciated, thanks!

    I think it's unwise to assume that coastal sailing is safest. The adventure you're on may make it necessary but coastal and ocean voyaging each have their own dangers and it's necessary fully to understand the job you're at. One thing's for certain, if things are going wrong then downwind sea room and plenty of it are highly desirable.
  • 21 Jul 2015 08:43
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    Just another thought, you could also check out a second hand Windrider 17 trimaran, (maybe Waverider). These are built from rotomoulded plastic with alloy cross beams but some of them have made some very long coastal voyages. It is probably also possible to fit a junk rig to one if you so desire.

    I agree with Graham about the Euphroes, just use some modern light weight plastic cheek blocks - the Chinese would I am sure have used them if they had been available back in the age of Chinese junks!

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  • 21 Jul 2015 08:22
    Reply # 3442936 on 3435449

    Hi Vincent.  There was a guy about 20 years ago who sailed a dugout canoe all the way across the Pacific, from South America to the Philippines.  If you have some knowledge of, and affinity for, indigenous watercraft, then your proposal is entirely feasible.  Of course, it would be easier, in many ways, to knock up a 28ft Marples Seaclipper, which has flat-bottomed plywood construction.  I knew a guy who built one in 100 hours, using little more than a jigsaw, a screwdriver and a 4 inch angle-grinder for "shaping".  It is still sailing and has sailed up and down the east coast of Australia and is currently in Tasmania. But it wouldn't perhaps have the spirit you seek.

    Same with Euphroes.  They work, would suit a traditional boat, and you can make them yourself, but a couple of light modern blocks, bolted end to end (sistered), are friction free and will cause less cranial damage if your head comes into contact with them, though I'd still recommend ducking!

    Yo could use either one mast, or two smaller masts, depending on what was available.  Both would work.  You need about 10% of the mast length buried in the structure, which should be possible with built up topsides in your dugout canoe.  You need to fit strong frames and braces to the hull around the mast, as the loads at deck level are considerable, and you also need to make sure the mast step is solid.

    I look forward to hearing more!

  • 21 Jul 2015 06:07
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    It might be worth having a look at the John Marples Seaclipper trimarans (search on the internet for Searunner Trimarans and you will find his website). He has designed a number of trimarans in this size range which are fairly easy to build and are proven designs. I cannot see any reason why a junk rig will not work in a boat like this but you would need a deep enough main hull so that the mast has enough 'bury' for support. If not, on a trimaran you might be actually able to stay the mast to the outer hulls without the rigging getting in the way of the sail. If you did this you could get away with a lighter mast as it would not need to be self supporting, and it is always good to save weight on a multihull. As to number of sails it all depends on the ability of the boat to support multiple masts, how they might intrude into any interior, and how complicated or simple you want the rig to be. For me I would go for one sail on a boat like this.   

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  • 21 Jul 2015 05:14
    Reply # 3442814 on 3435449
    Good heavens, Vincent - you are pushing us all beyond our comfort threshold!  Welcome on board, and I hope someone can come back to you with some suggestions.  I'm afraid your concepts, while fascinating, are well beyond my experience, but we have a lot of very clever people in the JRA, one or two of whom may have some ideas.  My main reason for posting is to welcome you to the JRA and to keep your posting towards the top of the list, for those who missed it first time around.
  • 16 Jul 2015 00:10
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    Hey everybody, newbie hailing from Massachusetts, USA here. I've canoed a bit, and I've made a dugout canoe, tied outriggers to it, and made a very primitive junk-like sail... But otherwise I have no real sailing experience, never mind junk rig.

    The dugout I made with guidance from a Macuxi man from Guyana and YouTube... The sail from lurking here and a little book called "Build and design your own Junk Rig"... I was a bit disappointed to find there was relatively little information on junks and their rigging styles online, even in Mandarin Chinese (which I can speak but reading is a little challenging, I was a bad student) so I think you guys are awesome for having this association. Naturally drawn to junk rigs by their beauty, practicality, and from my heritage.

    I am looking to build a junk-rigged trimaran. Dugout expanded and extended with either pegged or sewn planks with outriggers on both sides. Let's say overall length between 25-30'. The adventure is to sail from Boston to Miami (and back). I think coastal sailing, never staying too far from shore would be safest... 

    Given the vague objective above... Any advice as far as how many masts, one or two? How tall? What shape of sail, rectangular, fan like? I'm not sure if a steering oar or a retractable fenestrated rudder is better... and I wonder if it's better to have a round bottom canoe for maneuverability and speed or a v-shaped bottom.. How do you guys feel about using a euphroe to manage to rope? I get the feeling some feel it's dangerous on account of having a wooden block dangle in the wind....


    Any and all advice is appreciated, thanks!

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