Storfidra 25 junk conversion mast step and partners questions!

  • 12 May 2015 05:52
    Reply # 3340237 on 3320948

    hmm. I would love to see a picture of your arrangement if possible Annie?!?! I have thought about the idea of ANY holes in the mast.... And since we are on the subject: I was just about to ask everyone's thoughts on THIS idea:

    Studying PJR, it suggests that for an alloy mast.... You Could do any with a masthead fitting altogether .... And just use eye plates and such riveted to the mast. This would obviously bring the costs WAY down.  But, just off the top of my head, I'd need to drill at least 10 holes in the mast for fittings ... And maybe 4 more to secure a wooden "cap" which I could mount the light and antenna on. The top of the mast is 4.5 inches so, I could actually get my hand inside and fasten with nylon locking nuts as well. ( instead of rivets which seem untrustworthy)

    I am building this boat for extended cruising, so trength is very important to me.... But sometimes it's hard to know when strong is good enough.... Or overkill.

    J

  • 12 May 2015 05:02
    Reply # 3340224 on 3320948
    I'm not sure you need to be quite so enthusiastic about keeping the mast in place.  It's not a very heavy thing and, really, all you want to do is to stop it shooting out of the step should you hit a 'square' wave, or inadvertently run aground at speed.  Or, I suppose, stop the mast from falling out should you capsize, which is a consideration if you intend adventurous sailing.

    I hold my mast in place with a wee bottle screw between a two saddle eyes.  A big hole through the mast does weaken it at that point.

  • 11 May 2015 20:32
    Reply # 3339648 on 3320948

    ahh! That looks great Arne! And QUITE substantial! I am planning similar …but with 2 steel L shaped brackets "sunk" into the wood / epoxy . I will use the brackets to secure a through bolt through the mast.

  • 11 May 2015 12:39
    Reply # 3338985 on 3320948
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jonny,

    yesterday, as I helped stepping Johanna’s 10.6m x 25cm  wooden mast, I took this photo of the mast step, right after stepping.

    As can be seen, the step consists of a pile of plywood bits, epoxied to the hull and to each other. I carefully grinded away the gelcoat from the hull to make the glue stick better.

    Arne

  • 06 May 2015 01:47
    Reply # 3328971 on 3320948

    Thanks guys! 

    Annie…..that is a GREAT idea! I will try my best to document everything with photos s it moves along.

    And Arne,I remember one of your chapters about the plywood mast step…where you explained it very well. There were also a bunch of photos if I remember correctly. Although , I just looked in the files section, and couldn't find it!


    J

  • 04 May 2015 08:10
    Reply # 3326132 on 3320948
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Hi Jonny

    I have made all my mast steps from plywood, and am about to start another one now. I have made the last two ones from two main pieces: First I build up a flat , wide “step sole” (width depending on hull shape) of 40-60mm plywood. I dryfit the plywood bits first and then glue them up in the hull, ensuring good bond to the hull and to each other. Then I laminate the “step collar” from plywood, 40 – 60mm thick, and with the mast hole right through it. This piece can be trial-fitted to the mast in advance of stepping the mast. This step collar I make a little smaller (in outer length and width) than the step sole. That lets me shift it around a bit on top of the step sole. When stepping the mast for the first time, I have just fastened the step collar with 2-3 screws. The temporarily stepped mast can then be checked for alignment. It may be necessary to reposition the step collar once or twice to get it right. When I am happy with it, I pull out the mast again to let me fasten the step collar permanently with epoxy and/or screws. Carving a  drain “furrow” in the underside of the step collar will prevent the mast from standing in a puddle in case of a leak at the mast gasket.

    Arne

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  • 04 May 2015 01:19
    Reply # 3325842 on 3320948
    Great stuff, Jonny.  Best of luck with the conversion.  Take lots of photos and write it up for the magazine, won't you?

    PS  My mast step is made up from laminated plywood.

  • 30 Apr 2015 04:19
    Reply # 3322296 on 3320948

    Next week! 

  • 30 Apr 2015 04:18
    Reply # 3322295 on 3320948

    Ah!! That's  wonderful David! Thanks for putting me at ease....and saving me a LOT of money

    I've been in the bowels of my v berth all morning.... Cutting templates and  taking measurements .

    I'll hopefully get started in earnest next.

    Best,


    Jonny

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  • 29 Apr 2015 04:58
    Reply # 3321054 on 3320948
    Jonny Kaplan wrote:

    But …I have seen  other boats , large  than mine that have just used a wood / plywood / epoxy / sheathed in fiberglass for the step and partners.

    My question is….does that seem strong enough??? It is most certainly more affordable

    Any advice / ideas is GREATLY appreciated!

    thanks

    Jonny

    Absolutely! Layers of thick plywood, bonded with epoxy, are an excellent way to make these. Just provide enough depth in the partners and step to spread the load over the surface of the mast (3 or 4 inches will be plenty) and bond the reinforcements firmly to the deck and hull, and all will be well. 
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