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Why do we not see more junks in leisure sailing ? (Research Study)

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  • 21 May 2026 14:58
    Reply # 13634319 on 13634170
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    In answer to Mauro, I submitted a question on SJR to Chat GPT "What is split junk rig". I was not surprised that it was unable to provide any information on split junk rig but I was horrified that instead of returning no answer, it produced a lengthy spiel of complete rubbish including the confident assumption that the split is horizontal and for all kinds of spurious reasons, plus a lengthy spiel on all the cliche advantages which were of no relevance. That has diminished any credibility I would give to AI as a source of factual material (it has some other impressive uses, but not fact-seeking).

    A Google search did better, and pointed directly to the JRA website and various online articles which were somewhat more relevant.

    Well, a different AI engine called “Claude” did quite a bit better:

    “A split junk rig is a modern variation of the traditional Chinese junk sail, developed primarily by British sailor and designer Slieve McGalliard.  In a standard junk rig, the sail is a single panel supported by full-length horizontal battens. The split junk rig divides that sail into two separate panels — an outer panel (the main working sail) and an inner panel (closer to the mast) — with a gap or slot between them. The mast runs up through this split.” 
  • 21 May 2026 00:39
    Reply # 13634170 on 13633807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    It is a rather odd questionnaire but easy enough to do, hopefully all members will participate.


    In answer to Mauro, I submitted a question on SJR to Chat GPT"What is split junk rig". I was not surprised that it was unable to provide any information on split junk rig but I was horrified that instead of returning no answer, it produced a lengthy spiel of complete rubbish including the confident assumption that the split is horizontal and for all kinds of spurious reasons, plus a lengthy spiel on all the cliche advantages which were of no relevance. That has diminished any credibility I would give to AI as a source of factual material (it has some other impressive uses, but not fact-seeking).

    A Google search did better, and pointed directly to the JRA website and various online articles which were somewhat more relevant.

    Wikipedia gave a simple definition "Split panel junk sails separate the sail plan in two sections, a main section behind the mast, and a smaller section forward the mast." and continued with some thoughtful and correct insights.

    Last modified: 21 May 2026 00:57 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 20 May 2026 20:57
    Reply # 13634097 on 13633807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    So have I...

    Edit:
    I’ll add a few ideas here, as they come to mind:

    1.
    The flat sail junks from the seventies and eighties performed much worse to windward than the Bermuda rigs. Everyone could see that. However, these flat sails lasted for ages and were ‘never’ improved with camber, either by using hinged battens or by making new and cambered sails. The result is that the reputation of the JR is bad, and for a good reason. I notice that new flat sails are being made by sailmakers, even today.

    2. Sails are cut as big puzzles from computer programs today. It is unlikely that sail makers (big companies) will invest money on developing expensive programs for cutting out junk sails, since these have gained such a bad press over the years.
    For this reason, the JR will mostly be for home-making (with a few exceptions).


    Last modified: 21 May 2026 08:34 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 20 May 2026 20:15
    Reply # 13634076 on 13633807

    I have filled in the online form submitted by Guillaume and applaud him for asking the question.

  • 20 May 2026 12:23
    Reply # 13633837 on 13633807

    This is a very goo question Guillaume!

    Also in Italy (where I was born) and in Austria (where I live), junk rigged boats are inexistent and considered in best case as exotic, wired experiments.

    By the most yacht sailors I spoke with, a rig other than the bermuda one with shrouds and foresails seems almost not imaginable...even when the most diffuse sailboats in their own yacht clubs are cat boats with unstayed masts and single sprit sails (the Optimist) or Marconi sails (the Laser)!

    Like Paul, I've also found most comments from Bermudan sailors about this issue simply irrational.  

    Anyway, there are a lot of designers that show attraction for the JR, two examples:

    Tom McNaughton (http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/designs.htm)

    Eric Hanseval (https://hensevalyachtdesign.jimdofree.com/monocoques-6-50m-11m/divinite-7m-exp%C3%A9/ ).

    Last but not least, interestingly the english page of Wikipedia about the JR is quite up to date and points out very well some of the advantages of the JR in comparison to the bermuda rig: "Maneuverability in a junk rig is vastly beyond that of a fully stayed Bermuda sail rig..." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_rig)

    Good luck with your interesting project.

    Mauro 

    Last modified: 20 May 2026 12:24 | Anonymous member
  • 20 May 2026 10:46
    Reply # 13633819 on 13633807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Bonjour

    I highly recommand to anyone to answer the questionnaire. 

    The more answer, the more, potential impact on the industry.

    It is not long or difficult and avazilable both in French or in English. 

    Eric

    Last modified: 20 May 2026 10:49 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 20 May 2026 09:30
    Reply # 13633810 on 13633807

    Hi Guillaume,

    that is the one most frequently asked question I hear when promoting the junk rig (beside the usual "but does she go to windward?").

    From a rational/technical/sailing perspective, I see no answer. I could only speculate about non-rational reasons...

    Very nice that you are looking deeper into it!


    Cheers

    Paul

  • 20 May 2026 08:51
    Message # 13633807

    Hello everyone,

    I am a new member of this forum, and currently finishing a naval architecture programm at Nantes (DPEA), for which we have to write a (very short) thesis on whatever topic. Thus my question : Why do we not see more junks in leisure sailing ? Despite its numerous qualities, the junk rig has not for now the favours of most of the amateur sailors. This is may be less true in UK, but in France the junk rig is pretty rare, and within the new boats, totally inexistent. At the point than even in my class, fullfilled of sailing cultured people, the junk rig (and the junk boat) are more funny traditionnal objects than serious options. One may advance some quick answers (including the absence of junk designers and new junk boats or cultural aspects) which come naturally when thinking about it, but my goal is to verify if these affirmations are really true and enough to provide a complete answer. For that, I would like to ask everyone interested in this topic their opinion and experience about the junk rig, and their use of it. I made a quick google survey available here where you can answer to help me to answer this questions : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8vQ6E-MGGqwPhoRJZc2q_BkhD2UIoSBfvjMSZ9gVI9NSN3Q/viewform?usp=sharing&ouid=118135095081593622474

    I thank you warmly in advance for your time and help. Obviously, we can also talk in this topic, and do not hesitate to tell me all the things I missed (even though in the survey there is a part for that). When finished, I will share you of course my work, and I hope it will be a subject of interest for everyone here.

    Kind regards,

    Guillaume Rossillion



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