The searching power of AI

  • 04 May 2025 11:07
    Reply # 13495036 on 13494506
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Thanks, Maxine, for starting a very important conversation on AI and searching.  The well known AI engine, ChatGPT references the JRA site in almost any junk rig related search but I have not found it as good as the Google AI you’ve just brought to our attention.  Thanks.


    meanwhile, we have a more traditional but powerful tool in the JRA Knowledgebase that references over 1,400 web articles, magazine articles, videos etc.  but it cannot yet handle forum discussions or the boat of the month.

  • 03 May 2025 20:36
    Reply # 13494948 on 13494506
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Maxime wrote: 

    Hi Graeme,

    The wonderful thing about this "Deep Research" feature is that it lists all of its sources, as found at the bottom of the Google Doc I shared. 

    Yes, that is the best thing about it. It means you can read the source material for yourself, and also check if any known source material has been ignored. And it IS a slightly over-powered way of digging back through old forum material and finding for the first time, or re-visiting posts which previously have become very difficult to find.

    On that matter, I wonder if this tool can be focussed on a single domain, such as the JRA forums?

  • 03 May 2025 14:13
    Reply # 13494864 on 13494506

    When I wrote "our knowledge" I meant the collective knowledge gathered on this forum. The search engine/knowledge base installed on the JRA page is very useful for newbies like me.

    By the way: the memory problems you mention also apply to me.

    I also see that we are both members of the elite "split junk rig" subgroup (23 members) ;)

    Greetings!

    EDIT: To help my poor memory a bit, I have been successfully using ZIM - a desktop wiki

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  • 03 May 2025 10:41
    Reply # 13494833 on 13494506

    We ourselves organise Knowledge. This activity is known as remembering. I've skim read this AI report and found that it didn't say much about JR sail material that I didn't already know as a result of reading and remembering the information provided by people contributing to forum discussions here over the years. (I don't claim to have a good memory  - in fact, I can spend a whole morning searching for a thing I put down a few seconds ago, or even a thing I already have in my hand).

    Do we risk degrading this ability to remember, analyse and categorise information obtained through exchange or experience if there's a machine that does it for us?

  • 03 May 2025 09:25
    Reply # 13494827 on 13494506

    That's true! The problem with many forums is that the information they contain is covered by ever-increasing layers of new information. Sometimes I wonder if a "wiki" type tool could be a remedy for these problems? But I've read that wikis create other problems, so there are no perfect tools yet... Let's hope that AI will finally help organize our knowledge. Good job!

  • 03 May 2025 00:24
    Reply # 13494770 on 13494698
    Anonymous wrote:

    Really amazing. A report like that would take hundreds of hours to do.

    (I am thinking of a particular little problem that we have in the JRA - that is, trawling back through the forums to find some particular thread, or searching out threads which relate to a particular topic. I think I would still rather do my own reading, but navigating the past forums is now nigh on impossible and our own search engine is almost useless. I am thinking AI might be the tool to enable this).

    Anyway, back to the report: very impressive.




    Hi Graeme,

    The wonderful thing about this "Deep Research" feature is that it lists all of its sources, as found at the bottom of the Google Doc I shared. I have attached a sample image here also. This way, it's possible to go read the relevant threads and context surrounding the information it has chosen to include in the report.

    Thus this becomes an indirect, but very efficient way of searching the forums. It also references boatdesign.net, various project websites, and also goes into Youtube video subtitles!

    I will be experimenting more in the coming months.

    My hope is that this kind of technology will come to supplement human-to-human discussion with knowledge unlocked from long-lost forum threads, rather than replacing it altogether. By collating the current state of the art, it could let discussions focus on building on top of that extant knowledge rather than rehashing it.

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  • 02 May 2025 22:40
    Reply # 13494729 on 13494506

    Crikey. I don't think I've read anything written by a machine before this. Truly, we now possess God - like omniscience. What a blessing: to know everything that has ever been thought, on any subject under the sun, and written down.

    What shall we do now?

  • 02 May 2025 21:38
    Reply # 13494698 on 13494506
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Really amazing. A report like that would take hundreds of hours to do.

    (I am thinking of a particular little problem that we have in the JRA - that is, trawling back through the forums to find some particular thread, or searching out threads which relate to a particular topic. I think I would still rather do my own reading, but navigating the past forums is now nigh on impossible and our own search engine is almost useless. I am thinking AI might be the tool to enable this).

    Anyway, back to the report: very impressive.


  • 02 May 2025 15:38
    Message # 13494506

    Hello fellow junkies,

    By now, we've all heard about AI, and many of us might feel we have heard too much. Large Language Models (LLMs) seem prone to providing incorrect information in a very confident manner, which is worse than useless.

    However! I have recently been very impressed with one of Google's Gemini AI products, Gemini Pro 2.5 with the "Deep Research" feature. Using the Deep Research feature, the AI is not telling you what it thinks it knows; rather, it performs an extensive series of web searches and reads hundreds or thousands of web pages in order to produce summaries.

    To test this, I asked it to perform "Deep Research" on fabric selection and fabric weights for junk sails for 30-50ft boats. I attempted to paste the resulting (lengthy) research report it produced below, but found that this forum limits the length of text posts to 50KB. I've instead pasted a link to the report in Google Docs form, which includes all reference links at the bottom. In my opinion, this is very promising technology, and I strongly encourage you to look at the report itself. It frankly blew my mind. I found it much easier to retrieve broad information in this manner than by using the search functionality in the forum or on Google itself.

    Research report:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/18xjCTrfn7dKXZc1G6P5NR2mHKf-54wpe1-M2aWDEy9g/edit?usp=sharing



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