Maxi 77 junk rig conversion

  • 02 Jun 2024 09:34
    Reply # 13364716 on 13364380

    I find that one of the unusual aspects of sailing junk rig, rather than gaff or bermudian, is that I tend to reef when I turn off the wind and shake the reefs out as I sail closer to the wind.  

    I made that observation, too. Quite interesting!

    You might still be in the mindset where shaking out the reef as the wind comes forward of the beam is the opposite of what feels right.  When in doubt, shake it out: it's easier enough to put back in if you've been too enthusiastic!

    Hehe, it is the opposite: I'm in the mindset of sailing at or slightly above hull speed, if the wind allows it (which he does more often, now with the junk rig). I so much adore to be able to reef at any course, quickly and only just the amount I want. Which brings me to another topic:

    I have been warned, that one shall reef early when running, as there would be a danger of "batten breaking". However, I don't quite understand, if for example I lower two panels, why the battens of the upper panels should then have less load... Sure, with two panels down the boom and lower two battens have way less load. But this does not affect the upper ones, does it?

    What I do understand is of course the decrease in mast load, and also that one cannot "feel" the mast load when running due to the lack of heeling - similar to catamaran sailing.

  • 01 Jun 2024 01:06
    Reply # 13364380 on 13226713


    I find that one of the unusual aspects of sailing junk rig, rather than gaff or bermudian, is that I tend to reef when I turn off the wind and shake the reefs out as I sail closer to the wind.  

    You might still be in the mindset where shaking out the reef as the wind comes forward of the beam is the opposite of what feels right.  When in doubt, shake it out: it's easier enough to put back in if you've been too enthusiastic!

  • 31 May 2024 14:07
    Reply # 13364083 on 13363436
    Arne wrote:

    I guess Paul S has made the forward batten pockets a bit longer than those on Boudicca, to let him further increase the mast balance.

    Yes, indeed! I shifted the batten pocket gap aft, by some 10-20 cm if I remember correctly
  • 31 May 2024 10:41
    Reply # 13363985 on 13363980
    As for tacking angle in light winds, there are two possible reasons for that:
    • Tacking angle on the chart will always be worse in light winds than in strong winds, since the headwind (boat speed) component is relatively stronger than in stronger winds. We don't sail twice as fast in 12kts winds as in 6kts.
    • Some fine keels may lose grip in lighter winds. My former boat, Johanna was not so good in that respect.

    Arne

     Ah, this is not what I meant. I mean sailing with too less sail area for a given wind, i.e. reefeing too much and thus being "too" slow.
  • 31 May 2024 10:26
    Reply # 13363983 on 13226713

    By the way, love the junk sailing: being able to post here, while navigating in these tight waters

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  • 31 May 2024 10:21
    Reply # 13363981 on 13363980
    Good  -  and you of course remembered to subtract the thickness of the battens? 
    Of course not, shame on me. Then it is 9.0%. Will correct my post below!

    Those 23.3% mast balance, is that before or after you latest adjustment?

    Before. Did not increase balance yet.
  • 31 May 2024 10:10
    Reply # 13363980 on 13363969
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Paul S wrote:

    Just measured:

    Camber: 9.6% (47 cm at 490 cm chord length), measured at position of max camber

    Balance: 23,3% (114 cm at 490 cm chord length)


    Arne, I guess my camber is a bit higher then your estimation because I slackened the batten tension quite a bit (you proposed 2-4cm. Probably I overdid it a bit and went for 4-6cm). However, I'm quite happy with that increased amount of camber.


    Good  -  and you of course remembered to subtract the thickness of the battens? 
    Those 23.3% mast balance, is that before or after you latest adjustment?

    As for tacking angle in light winds, there are two possible reasons for that:

    • Tacking angle on the chart will always be worse in light winds than in strong winds, since the headwind (boat speed) component is relatively stronger than in stronger winds. We don't sail twice as fast in 12kts winds as in 6kts.
    • Some fine keels may lose grip in lighter winds. My former boat, Johanna was not so good in that respect.

    Arne

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  • 31 May 2024 09:24
    Reply # 13363971 on 13226713

    And thanks, Graham and Scott for your kind words!


    The easy tacking in narrow channels really come in handy for me right now, navigating through the swedish archipelagos.


     On that appended track one can see that the tack angles are not that good. We were underpowered, not going as fast as the wind would allow. My observation from the last weeks is, that Ilvy is quite sensible on being underpowered. Unfortunately I cannot tell if it is because of the junk rig, as I did not check the gps course that frantically with the original bermuda rig...  Could also just be the hull shape of her. 

    Does anyone else observe this sensibility to windward abilities with being underpowered, too?

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  • 31 May 2024 09:14
    Reply # 13363970 on 13226713

    Arne, another reason for the (rather little) deviation of your and Ketils camber to mine could be, that we used different curves: as I read it, you used a bending wooden spline, whereas I used CAD. In principle the same, however in practice some deviation would be expectable.

    It might be interesting to compare those curves. Do you have any foto from above of your curve? We could easily put my drawing on top and compare (though it would admitedly be rather academic).


    Cheers,

    Paul

  • 31 May 2024 09:08
    Reply # 13363969 on 13226713

    Just measured:

    Camber: 9.0% (44 cm at 490 cm chord length), measured at position of max camber

    Balance: 23,3% (114 cm at 490 cm chord length)


    Arne, I guess my camber is a bit higher then your estimation because I slackened the batten tension quite a bit (you proposed 2-4cm. Probably I overdid it a bit and went for 4-6cm). However, I'm quite happy with that increased amount of camber.

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