Ideal live aboard sized yacht

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  • 04 Feb 2013 10:44
    Reply # 1197816 on 1197363
    We've started window shopping online and most of what we have seen are stock standard layouts but there have been a few that are sort of appealing. I haven't seen anything yet that really grabs me. I don't want open plan though in 34 foot I'm not expecting master cabins.
    If anyone knows of good websites then I would be interested in knowing about them.
  • 04 Feb 2013 10:09
    Reply # 1197799 on 1197363
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    My absolute favourite design is Tom MacNaughton's Sovereign 30. For me it ticks all the boxes for size and construction as is strip plank/epoxy which is super light and strong. I like the flush decks and the space it provides.

    Everyone has different idea's when it comes to there "ideal fitout" and what "gadgets" are installed, it's definitely a personal matter and you can listen to what other's have to say about what they can live with or without but you have to live with it. 
    When fitting out Jahmindi I was involved in another project building a Martz 46 and I was heavily influenced when making decisions regarding equipment for living aboard. A lot of things are certainly not needed but from passed experience I like certain things that add to the whole living experience, like an electric toilet and hot water. If your living aboard full time, showering from a bucket is not much fun not to mention heating water on the stove! Some people are happy doing this forever, I don't envy spartan life! If you don't have to why do it when good quality, simple systems can be in place. The fact why people have trouble with there gadgets is BAD INSTALLATION!!!  
    I installed on Jahmindi a lightweight 6kg capacity twin tub washing machine, some may laugh but it saves a fortune on laundry costs and lugging bags all around towns your unfamiliar with and wasting precious time and it really does work an absolute treat!! 
    One thing with a live aboard is you can utilise much more space as less berths are needed. 
    I would never purchase an older boat with lots of gadget's and stuff that adds weight and compilation etc, Scary!!  Because I have done 100% of the installing and the fact it's all new, have confidence in what I have done and I can fix everything! Which is a very important factor. 
    Dont get me wrong! Even though I have a laundry facility, I am a firm believer in quality, lightweight and simple is best.
    As for a steel vessel they are a good choice as long as they were built and painted properly in "QUALITY" materials you have nothing to worry about, actually less so when at sea! 

    Its certainly an interesting subject as it raise's many different perspectives! Well Im off to do some laundry :)

  • 04 Feb 2013 01:02
    Reply # 1197526 on 1197363
    If you choose a steel boat you'll spend a lot of time chasing rust!  One of my crazier friends has pulled the interior right out of his steel schooner.  Lives in hammocks and stores gear in plastic drums.  That way he can get at the interior - which is where the problems occur, rust outside is easy to address.  I have places inside my boat that I cannot get to.  And recently I found some serious rust in one of my bilges that may require replating next time I am on the slips. I suspect that maintenance will defeat me in the end.  I chose steel because I am a coward and wanted superior strength, but I am now of the opinion that the Ming Ming approach would suit me better and if I do change boats in a few years time that is the route I am going to take.  I'd prefer ply epoxy but would settle for glass, but whatever it is it will have positive buoyancy.  Fire and supertankers are still a menace but you have reduced the odds to such an extent that it will be safer to stay at sea than risking a run ashore!  I admire the more adventurous sailors but have learned who I am and what I need.  I yam what I yam, said Popeye the sailorman!
  • 04 Feb 2013 00:27
    Reply # 1197491 on 1197363
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    Lots of propaganda out there, as you've probably noticed. Latest is (apart from minimum boat size 40') that its physically impossible to cruise without a watermaker! (and all the extra power requirements associated with that)..

    I reckon when you've got some micro cruising on Redwing under your belt you'll form you're own wish list.
    When puttering around on our old 24' Vander Stadt we figured just another 6' of length would give us a sleeping area seperate from the living area. A few more feet added to that because i wanted to store folding bicycles too. Ended up with 34"10", but it could have been less.
  • 03 Feb 2013 23:21
    Reply # 1197436 on 1197363
    34ft, the Badger and Tystie kind of size, is a good choice for a couple. Small enough to be handled by one, when the other is off watch, incapacitated or absent; but big enough to have enough volume and weight carrying capacity for two, big enough to have a good double/twin sleeping berth, completely separate from the daytime living area, and big enough to have a comfortable, un-cramped heads and galley. The proportioning of the use of the internal space needs to be different when you are aboard for long periods from when you are aboard for a week or two. That's why it's hard to buy a production boat that's suitable for living aboard. Different market.

    My rule of thumb is that for continuing habitation, rather than weekends and holiday use, four tons of laden displacement per person is about right. Not so much that the costs of maintenance and everything skyrocket, not so little that you can't carry everything you need.

    I agree with Annie - plywood/epoxy/glass sheathing takes a lot of beating for long term longevity, ease of maintenance and just sheer pleasantness to live with.

    And KISS, of course. The people that continue to enjoy living on their boats and cruising in them are the ones who haven't got carried away with all the sophisticated toys that need continual care and maintenance.
  • 03 Feb 2013 22:40
    Reply # 1197412 on 1197363
    Well, Gary, you pretty much know my ideas and they haven't really changed. 34ft would be as big as I want. But what I would add from my additional experiences is that personally  I would choose lighter displacement, composite wood over fibreglass, avoid steel, and KISS.  Don't be seduced by lots of wonderful 'systems' that turn the boat into a floating apartment.  You're looking for adventure and adventures aren't meant to be comfortable!!

    Check out boats over here - there are a lot of good wooden craft and the prices are a lot lower than in Oz.

    One final point is that before you buy, check out what insurance is likely to cost, if you plan to have it.  It might end up too expensive, in which case you have to be able to afford to write the boat off if the worst comes to the worst.
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  • 03 Feb 2013 21:37
    Message # 1197363
    Kerry and I are exploring the option of getting a bigger yacht, say 34 ft and living aboard. We need to get out and do a good bit of sailing in Redwing first...just to make sure it's what we want to do. The idea though would be to find a suitable yacht, convert to a schooner junk rig. The money we would have left over would be invested and we'd use the interest to supplement income. This option gives us a cruising home and a good size chunk of cash in the bank, where as selling and buying another house just gives us extra expenses.
    I don't want to build another yacht, been there and done that. As 2nd hand Badgers are a bit on the rare side I'll need to look at other possibilities. Such as buying a suitable yacht as I've mentioned above or look for an unfinished project that just requires rigging.
    I would be interested in hearing what other would consider to be the required specs for a good live aboard for two but allowing for a visitor or two?
    I know the Hans Christen 32 has a very good below deck layout but it requires a good puff of wind to get it moving.

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