Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

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  • 01 Feb 2013 19:28
    Reply # 1195838 on 1195343
    When I saw David's Maxie stove in action, I quite fell in love with it and bought one for myself.  It is more expensive to use than a propane one, but I have found a source that sells bulk alcohol which brings the cost down  to about $8 a week.  That's a bit under four quid and I do a lot of cooking.  I've not had David's problem with icky fingers, but then I tend to fill the cooker directly from a 1 litre bottle via a funnel and don't usually have any spillages.  My only real bitch with the Maxie is that the gimballing' system is pretty useless, even with the addition of a lead weight.  It is much more a pendulum than a pivot and coming back from Mahurangi recently, in a bit of a wild sea, I really couldn't use it.  Another more minor gripe is that the pan supports are too far apart: one of my pans tends to tip up on it and I only dare to use my espresso coffee jug in flat calm conditions.

    The camp oven is a good idea and I would like to have an oven for various different recipes that I miss cooking, and also to bake a loaf-shaped loaf.  (My frying pan is just too small to contain any of the loaf tins I can find.)  I once had a folding oven and I recall finding a problem with it, insofar as it completely tied up one burner (where do you put a red-hot oven down?) and only allowed room for a small pan on the other.  I looked up the specs of the Coleman, but could only find approximate dimensions - the 10 in square rack adjusts to 3 cooking heights.  Could you give me the genuine dimensions, please, Tony.  It might just fit between my fiddle rails and I would give it serious consideration in that case.
  • 01 Feb 2013 16:53
    Reply # 1195700 on 1195343
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    We have a Colemans fold up oven which we used to use on our campervan, which only had two burners .Its a great bit of kit, will bake a big loaf, roast a whole chicken , even has a themometer built into the door. Folds flat for stowing and only costs 50 quid.it will sit on one burner or across two for high temperature cooking.irrespective of your heat source, tony
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  • 01 Feb 2013 16:39
    Reply # 1195683 on 1195343
    Just one downside  that I've found - the methylated spirits in NZ contains a powerful bittering agent,to discourage illicit use. If you re-fuel the stove, then start cooking and happen to lick your fingers - ugh!
  • 01 Feb 2013 16:16
    Reply # 1195667 on 1195586
    David Tyler wrote:
    Jonathan Snodgrass wrote:

    David, What about an oven? 


    My Taylors oven did not get used enough to justify the space it took up.

    "Ask of me anything but time!"  Napolean

    "Ask of me anything but space on the boat!"  DT ?

  • 01 Feb 2013 15:02
    Reply # 1195618 on 1195597
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    David Tyler wrote:The Maxie has a length of wicking inside the tube leading to the burner. It's not needed for the usual purpose, and my guess is that it's to prevent surging, and too fast a flow of fuel. I wonder if your First Mate is lacking this?
    Don't see any sign of wicking, and didnt appear to behave like it has one. The instructions say to let alcohol to pool in a groove surrounding the burner, turn the knob off and light it. When it heats up the burner turn the knob back on and away you go.
    Its very easy to get going. Just has the odd surge problem. It is probably a fine stove for someone who can learn its idiosyncrasies..
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  • 01 Feb 2013 14:39
    Reply # 1195597 on 1195400
    Gary King wrote:We have an old version of the Maxie lying around, First Mate its called. Last time we fired it it up it tried to impersonate an old time nav beacon. Flame was about a foot high and not responding to the controls! Freaked the missus a little.
    so...  thats why Ashiki sports a nice new Origo.
    I think part of the problem is the thin plumbing pipes on those old stoves and the propensity for alcohol to evaporate in said piping. Though from your report, it looks like the new Maxie is a little more palatable.. 
    The Maxie has a length of wicking inside the tube leading to the burner. It's not needed for the usual purpose, and my guess is that it's to prevent surging, and too fast a flow of fuel. I wonder if your First Mate is lacking this?
  • 01 Feb 2013 14:32
    Reply # 1195586 on 1195467
    Jonathan Snodgrass wrote:

    David, What about an oven?  I seem to remember that the only time I was on your boat (Scotland, Autumn, 2001) you had a fixed Taylors oven separate from the stove.  Do you now just have a burner with an oven sitting on top?  Jonathan

    Throughout Polynesia, you can buy simple thick-walled aluminium cooking pots, ranging from small to big enough to cook a missionary in. I've bought a 22cm pot to use as a dutch oven. There's been no demand for baked goods in the tropics, so it has had little use, other than to test it. In cooler climes, I expect to use it more, and will do more work on making a pan support.

    My Taylors oven did not get used enough to justify the space it took up. It's actually easier to pan-bake bread on the stove top than light up an oven. I now have a much more useful locker for food boxes in that space. 
  • 01 Feb 2013 10:21
    Reply # 1195467 on 1195343

    David, What about an oven?  I seem to remember that the only time I was on your boat (Scotland, Autumn, 2001) you had a fixed Taylors oven separate from the stove.  Do you now just have a burner with an oven sitting on top?  Jonathan

  • 01 Feb 2013 08:19
    Reply # 1195400 on 1195343
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    We have an old version of the Maxie lying around, First Mate its called. Last time we fired it it up it tried to impersonate an old time nav beacon. Flame was about a foot high and not responding to the controls! Freaked the missus a little.
    so...  thats why Ashiki sports a nice new Origo.
    I think part of the problem is the thin plumbing pipes on those old stoves and the propensity for alcohol to evaporate in said piping. Though from your report, it looks like the new Maxie is a little more palatable.. 
    Last modified: 01 Feb 2013 08:23 | Deleted user
  • 01 Feb 2013 05:45
    Message # 1195343
    Pete Hill says in the article about Oryx in issue 61: 
    "We cook on a two burner alcohol stove and like it very much, it uses on average 2 litres of alcohol a week. After 30 years of being a pressure paraffin fan I have changed because of the difficulty of obtaining paraffin and the very high cost of spare parts."
    Looking closely at the picture of Oryx's galley, I think I recognise an Origo cooker. 

    Well over a year ago, I too changed over from a Taylors pressure kerosene cooker, to a Maxie 2 burner alcohol cooker. Best thing I ever did. Unlike Pete, I've found it easy to buy premium quality kerosene (essential for clean burning), but I agree with Pete that the Taylors spares situation was getting more and more difficult. All too frequently, with a heavy heart, I would have to get out the tools and spares and unblock a jet, or change a jammed or broken needle, getting dirty, and then getting dejected when I found that there was a leak somewhere, and I had to find it and fix it.

    In contrast, all I have had to do with the Maxie is to clean it once in a while, and add some more alcohol. The burner is, I believe, an improvement over that in the Origo. It is very simple, un-pressurised and gravity fed from separate fuel tank, which is easily filled. It lights very easily, and there are no jets or needles to give trouble. The flame is blue and hot, and quite similar to a propane flame. I bought two spare burners, just to be prepared, but I don't think I'm going to need to fit them for a very long time.

    Now that bio ethanol is produced in quantity to add to car's fuel, it is easily found. Here in Honolulu, I have just bought 3 quart cans of denatured alcohol in a hardware store for a reasonable price. In Tahiti, the alcool á bruler was sweet-smelling and burnt well. I think that alcohol has taken over from paraffin/kerosene as the voyager's fuel of choice.  It is less odorous than kero, and no less safe. The containers are lightweight, and can be stowed anywhere aboard, and there's no need to lug heavy propane cylinders around town looking for somewhere to refill them, and then finding that you need an adaptor to match up the  thread on your cylinder with the different one on the supply.

    [Webmaster edit: changed the title so the topic could expand into gas and diesel cookers/ovens.]
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