Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 21 May 2016 00:55
    Reply # 4031273 on 4027932
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    David Tyler wrote:

    The problems are fivefold, I think:

    • I don't know of a model that's made from marine grade non-corrodible materials, that would last long enough to be worth installing.
    • I don't know of a model that is able to work in a heeling, rolling, pitching boat. They all have loose parts and rely on being in a static environment.
    • They are tall - there's the tank, then the burner, then the flame modifying device that makes it burn hot and clean.
    • At the beginning and end of burning, there's always some part-burnt fuel and vapour released. You would have to live with darkened paint around the galley.
    • When not in use, there's always a small amount of evaporation of fuel. The cabin - and you - would smell of kero.
    Everything can be fixed, if you are a skilled sheet metalworker and can design and make your own cooker, but I don't know of any commercial model of marine wick-burner cooker having been made.
    This is good information.  There is an aluminum model, the Butterfly A822 14k BTU 22-Wick Kerosene Aluminum Cook Stove which I think would address #1.  I do have a brother that is semi-retired and is a skilled sheet metal worker that can make just about anything out of metal.  Maybe we need to come up with a cooker design similar to what was done with SibLim that would meet our needs.  I like the simplicity of the Origo but find the fuel difficult.  I like kerosene but find the Taylor stoves expensive to buy and maintain.  Maybe the Maxie is the answer and maybe it is not as fussy about the quality of alcohol but I am not sure how I would ever get to see one in the United States.
  • 20 May 2016 13:38
    Reply # 4030607 on 4029261
    Scott Dufour wrote:

    Is there anyway to view the Maxie 2 Burner here in the United States?

    I think it unlikely that you'll find a real one to look at in the Eastern States. the best I can offer is these photos.
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  • 20 May 2016 06:45
    Reply # 4030170 on 1195343

    I've solved the problem of finding a gravity feed tank for an alcohol cooker. First, I asked Tek-Tanks for a quotation for a custom tank. Let's just say that the price was more than an entire Origo Two. I declined to proceed.

    So off I went to eBay, and found that there is a gravity feed fuel tank intended for use when working on a motorcycle engine with the fuel tank removed for easier access - the 1 litre Sealey MS029 tank. It's widely available at under £17, including a hose, on/off valve and hose tail.

  • 19 May 2016 19:36
    Reply # 4029404 on 1195343

    My new Maxie burner arrived yesterday, courtesy of my daughter in Sydney, and I've made an album which I'll devote to photos of the cooker I intend to build around it.

  • 19 May 2016 18:08
    Reply # 4029261 on 1195343
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    I'm considering replacing my 1979 Force 10 2 Burner Kerosene Stove Top with an alcohol stove -  the previous owner handed me a box of spare parts and a small bag with two pricking nipples and the admonition that, "Of all things on the boat, don't lose those two little piece of metal.  They're harder to replace than the rigging."

    Is there anyway to view the Maxie 2 Burner here in the United States?

  • 19 May 2016 09:28
    Reply # 4027932 on 1195343

    Amos,

    I had one, and it worked fine, except that it was vulnerable to draughts - a little puff from the top would blow it out, at low flame. The problems are fivefold, I think:

    • I don't know of a model that's made from marine grade non-corrodible materials, that would last long enough to be worth installing.
    • I don't know of a model that is able to work in a heeling, rolling, pitching boat. They all have loose parts and rely on being in a static environment.
    • They are tall - there's the tank, then the burner, then the flame modifying device that makes it burn hot and clean.
    • At the beginning and end of burning, there's always some part-burnt fuel and vapour released. You would have to live with darkened paint around the galley.
    • When not in use, there's always a small amount of evaporation of fuel. The cabin - and you - would smell of kero.
    Everything can be fixed, if you are a skilled sheet metalworker and can design and make your own cooker, but I don't know of any commercial model of marine wick-burner cooker having been made.
  • 19 May 2016 00:50
    Reply # 4027390 on 1195343
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    I have always been curious about kerosene wick stoves.  I have never used one and have always wondered why I have never heard of one used on a boat.  Is there a reason the wick stoves are not used?  

    We currently have a propane stove but would like to replace propane with kerosene or alcohol but have found no solution we really like.  I bought an Origo single burner to experiment with and used it a while at home and found that it was just as hot as the gas stove if excellent ethanol alcohol was used.  I used Klean-Strip® Green™ Denatured Alcohol.  It is 95% ethanol and it was excellent but the fuel cost a small fortune.  I love the simplicity of the Origo, the cost of good fuel not so much.


  • 18 May 2016 23:57
    Reply # 4027364 on 1195343
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    I've been exploring this in depth recently. I at present have six kerosene/paraffin cookers, including a three burner "Shipmate" with oven, three classic brass in the Primus style, and a Coleman I converted from white gas.  In addition, there's  two "Homestrand" alcohol pressure stoves, and  pressurized gas stoves not a few. Forgive me, I'm OCD.

    I don't like butane or propane. The small cylinders corrode far to easily, and the large ones are a bomb.

    I have to say that my favorite stove thus far is the now relatively rare Toyotomi kerosene cooker, which is currently out of production, (a close second is the Korean "Alpaca.") although a newer model is available outside the US. It's a non-pressurized wicked "flame spreader" stove much on the same plan as the "Perfection" kero/paraffin stove that was popular in the US for about 100 years, and is still in limited production among the Amish.

    Lighting is simplicity itself. Raise the fiberglass wick and touch a flame to it. Wait three minutes for the flame to regulate, at which point the unit will be burning with a very pure blue flame. When cooking is finished, lower the wick. At this point, there may be a small puff of smoke. 

    However, there are no flare-ups. There is no chance of explosive vapor in the bilge. The stoves will only leak fuel if heeled over 45 degrees or more. These stoves burn pure enough on good fuel so there is no blackening of pots or other issues. They are also relatively easily adapted for pot rails for cooking whilst underway.

    I bought enough wicks -- still a very commonly available item, and the only consumable part  -- for my Toyotomi to last four or more years of of constant use for $36 USD.

    The easy way is hard enough. 


  • 08 May 2016 21:02
    Reply # 4008909 on 1195343
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    cookers have always been a sore point with sailors , so here is my 5p worth. 

    last two boats i sailed we went from cheep caravan rusty gas cookers to tailors paraffin 

    the cookers were great , on both boats we had a permanent tank with double shut off valves and the paraffin went through a filter , the last one had a primer on the filter.

    the other post was we never used meths to warm the stove but used a portable blow lamp with a igniter built into it no flare ups

    this boat in work shop will have the same set up

  • 05 May 2016 22:32
    Reply # 4005333 on 4005233
    David Thatcher wrote:


    My last four boats have been equipped with LPG stoves and based on my experiences of the last 20 years with these stoves, LPG would always be the fuel of choice for me. LPG is generally readily available at very reasonable prices. If the installation of the pipes is done correctly with the proper connectors then leakage of fuel into the boat should not occur. Any proper marine gas stove should be fitted with automatic shut off at the burners so should the flame go out the gas will not continue to flow. I have an American Force 10 stove which is now almost 20 years old but still in excellent condition. On Footprints our gas is stored in two 4.5kg alloy bottles which are easy to handle and easy to stow and cost less than NZ$20 to fill. We also find that one bottle of gas lasts a very long time. On our cruise to New Caledonia in 2013 I knew that LPG was very difficult to obtain in that particular country. So I took along our two 4.5kg bottles and an extra 9kg bottle of gas to hopefully see us through the three months of cruising. On our return to New Zealand at the end of the 3 months one of the 4.5kg bottles was untouched.


    As ever, it's horses for courses.  I have no problems with kero stoves per se, but there are three things  that put me off having another one: the cost of the spares, the difficulty of finding good-quality fuel and the fact that they do make the boat grubby.  Oddly enough, I think it's the latter that I find myself objecting to the most!

    I don't like the fact that the Powers That Be can interfere with my cooker arrangement in NZ.  I don't like the bottles running out when I'm cooking.  I don't like the fact that even a 4.5 kg bottle is quite a lump to lug into and out of a dinghy and carry to a filling station when I'm cruising, to say nothing of the difficulty of finding somewhere to fill the bottles in the first place.  I can think of no anchorage, offhand, that is in easy walking distance of a place that would top up my bottles for me.  It would be different if I had a home base and access to a car.  However, I'm planning for self-sufficiency, and liquid fuel from the handy 4-Square store seems the best bet for me.

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