Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 21 May 2016 19:07
    Reply # 4032271 on 1195343

    By this morning, all the components had arrived, so I rolled up my sleeves, went to the workbench and built myself a cooker. The result is in my photo album.

    By the end of the afternoon, it was ready for trials, and I cooked my first meal on it.

    Problems:

    The gimballing is not very good. Although the pivots are 6cm above the pan supports, so that they are near the free surface of the liquid in the pan, the centre of gravity of the whole assemblage is still not far enough below the pan, and the cooker is not heavy enough. This shows up in a way that I hadn't anticipated: A pan with a heavy handle, like my Kuhn Rikon pressure cooker, has its CG quite far out from the centre of the pan itself. The cooker will tilt, under this influence, and the pan will slide to one side, increasing the effect. Even my kettle, which is symmetrical and has no handle out to one side, will cause the cooker to tilt if it is not exactly central, even though it can move only 1cm. The only cure would seem to be a large lump of lead bonded to the bottom of the cooker.

    The tank cannot be much higher than the built-in tank in the Maxie cooker, or the needle valve cannot close off the flow completely. It cannot be particularly well made. If the tank was higher, there was a fiercer flame than I thought was good for for the burner.

    The knob softened in the heat transmitted along the spindle, and would not turn the spindle at the end of cooking. I was glad of the on/off valve near the tank. I will have to find a more heat-resistant knob.

    All in all, though, I think the concept is viable. At least I have a cooker that is safe enough, is easy to light and adjust, is fast, is easy to refill and will retain a pan in a rough sea.

  • 21 May 2016 08:48
    Reply # 4031739 on 1195343

    Here's a site that has some excellent descriptions of assembly and use of the Butterfly A-822 , the gravity feed Butterfly 2418 and some general advice on "wickless" gravity feed kero stoves.

    There's enough here to put you off these stoves for marine use, if you read through carefully and critically! 

    For example, the 822 has 22 wicks, as its name implies, all of which must be kept trimmed to equal heights, and all of which must be lit. The tank appears to be an open bowl, with the wick holder just resting on top.

    The 2418 is described as being very definitely for operation in a stable environment only.

    They both have the kind of "chimney" with which I'm familiar, which consists of two concentric cylinders of perforated steel, which direct jets of air into the rising flow of kero vapour, surrounded by a further concentric unperforated cylinder as a heat shield. There's no reason why this can't all be made from stainless steel. But there are too many disadvantages - cooking with these stoves is bound to be dirtier and smellier than with a pressure kero stove. 

    PS the British equivalent to the above Miles Stair site is http://www.base-camp.co.uk/ - both very useful resources.

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  • 21 May 2016 00:55
    Reply # 4031273 on 4027932
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    David Tyler wrote:

    The problems are fivefold, I think:

    • I don't know of a model that's made from marine grade non-corrodible materials, that would last long enough to be worth installing.
    • I don't know of a model that is able to work in a heeling, rolling, pitching boat. They all have loose parts and rely on being in a static environment.
    • They are tall - there's the tank, then the burner, then the flame modifying device that makes it burn hot and clean.
    • At the beginning and end of burning, there's always some part-burnt fuel and vapour released. You would have to live with darkened paint around the galley.
    • When not in use, there's always a small amount of evaporation of fuel. The cabin - and you - would smell of kero.
    Everything can be fixed, if you are a skilled sheet metalworker and can design and make your own cooker, but I don't know of any commercial model of marine wick-burner cooker having been made.
    This is good information.  There is an aluminum model, the Butterfly A822 14k BTU 22-Wick Kerosene Aluminum Cook Stove which I think would address #1.  I do have a brother that is semi-retired and is a skilled sheet metal worker that can make just about anything out of metal.  Maybe we need to come up with a cooker design similar to what was done with SibLim that would meet our needs.  I like the simplicity of the Origo but find the fuel difficult.  I like kerosene but find the Taylor stoves expensive to buy and maintain.  Maybe the Maxie is the answer and maybe it is not as fussy about the quality of alcohol but I am not sure how I would ever get to see one in the United States.
  • 20 May 2016 13:38
    Reply # 4030607 on 4029261
    Scott Dufour wrote:

    Is there anyway to view the Maxie 2 Burner here in the United States?

    I think it unlikely that you'll find a real one to look at in the Eastern States. the best I can offer is these photos.
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  • 20 May 2016 06:45
    Reply # 4030170 on 1195343

    I've solved the problem of finding a gravity feed tank for an alcohol cooker. First, I asked Tek-Tanks for a quotation for a custom tank. Let's just say that the price was more than an entire Origo Two. I declined to proceed.

    So off I went to eBay, and found that there is a gravity feed fuel tank intended for use when working on a motorcycle engine with the fuel tank removed for easier access - the 1 litre Sealey MS029 tank. It's widely available at under £17, including a hose, on/off valve and hose tail.

  • 19 May 2016 19:36
    Reply # 4029404 on 1195343

    My new Maxie burner arrived yesterday, courtesy of my daughter in Sydney, and I've made an album which I'll devote to photos of the cooker I intend to build around it.

  • 19 May 2016 18:08
    Reply # 4029261 on 1195343
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    I'm considering replacing my 1979 Force 10 2 Burner Kerosene Stove Top with an alcohol stove -  the previous owner handed me a box of spare parts and a small bag with two pricking nipples and the admonition that, "Of all things on the boat, don't lose those two little piece of metal.  They're harder to replace than the rigging."

    Is there anyway to view the Maxie 2 Burner here in the United States?

  • 19 May 2016 09:28
    Reply # 4027932 on 1195343

    Amos,

    I had one, and it worked fine, except that it was vulnerable to draughts - a little puff from the top would blow it out, at low flame. The problems are fivefold, I think:

    • I don't know of a model that's made from marine grade non-corrodible materials, that would last long enough to be worth installing.
    • I don't know of a model that is able to work in a heeling, rolling, pitching boat. They all have loose parts and rely on being in a static environment.
    • They are tall - there's the tank, then the burner, then the flame modifying device that makes it burn hot and clean.
    • At the beginning and end of burning, there's always some part-burnt fuel and vapour released. You would have to live with darkened paint around the galley.
    • When not in use, there's always a small amount of evaporation of fuel. The cabin - and you - would smell of kero.
    Everything can be fixed, if you are a skilled sheet metalworker and can design and make your own cooker, but I don't know of any commercial model of marine wick-burner cooker having been made.
  • 19 May 2016 00:50
    Reply # 4027390 on 1195343
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    I have always been curious about kerosene wick stoves.  I have never used one and have always wondered why I have never heard of one used on a boat.  Is there a reason the wick stoves are not used?  

    We currently have a propane stove but would like to replace propane with kerosene or alcohol but have found no solution we really like.  I bought an Origo single burner to experiment with and used it a while at home and found that it was just as hot as the gas stove if excellent ethanol alcohol was used.  I used Klean-Strip® Green™ Denatured Alcohol.  It is 95% ethanol and it was excellent but the fuel cost a small fortune.  I love the simplicity of the Origo, the cost of good fuel not so much.


  • 18 May 2016 23:57
    Reply # 4027364 on 1195343
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    I've been exploring this in depth recently. I at present have six kerosene/paraffin cookers, including a three burner "Shipmate" with oven, three classic brass in the Primus style, and a Coleman I converted from white gas.  In addition, there's  two "Homestrand" alcohol pressure stoves, and  pressurized gas stoves not a few. Forgive me, I'm OCD.

    I don't like butane or propane. The small cylinders corrode far to easily, and the large ones are a bomb.

    I have to say that my favorite stove thus far is the now relatively rare Toyotomi kerosene cooker, which is currently out of production, (a close second is the Korean "Alpaca.") although a newer model is available outside the US. It's a non-pressurized wicked "flame spreader" stove much on the same plan as the "Perfection" kero/paraffin stove that was popular in the US for about 100 years, and is still in limited production among the Amish.

    Lighting is simplicity itself. Raise the fiberglass wick and touch a flame to it. Wait three minutes for the flame to regulate, at which point the unit will be burning with a very pure blue flame. When cooking is finished, lower the wick. At this point, there may be a small puff of smoke. 

    However, there are no flare-ups. There is no chance of explosive vapor in the bilge. The stoves will only leak fuel if heeled over 45 degrees or more. These stoves burn pure enough on good fuel so there is no blackening of pots or other issues. They are also relatively easily adapted for pot rails for cooking whilst underway.

    I bought enough wicks -- still a very commonly available item, and the only consumable part  -- for my Toyotomi to last four or more years of of constant use for $36 USD.

    The easy way is hard enough. 


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