Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 15 Aug 2024 10:27
    Reply # 13394080 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Hi Annie I would have thought a good sheet metal worker would be able to repair something like that. But not having seen it and not having yet used the Origo I purchased near new a couple of years ago, I guess that is easy to say.

    As we both know, Origos are as scarce as hen’s teeth in NZ and you rarely see them for sale.

    However, you may be in luck.

    Just by chance (I have been keeping a watch for the last 18 months) one of these was advertised on Trademe just this afternoon. It is in Tauranga, and I am currently not too far away from there at this moment. It was opening bids at $80 with a “buy now” of $150. If bidding starts, the buy now no longer applies, and I would expect bidding to reach more than $150 so, to cut a long story short: I saw it just minutes after reading your post, and decided on impulse to secure it immediately, by way of the $150 “buy now”.

    The “fuel tanks” look OK in the photo.


    If you think that will solve your problem, I can pass it on to you when I get back to Auckland. I am not sure whether or not it is a genuine Origo, but it may well be and if so, probably a bargain. No obligation, I am sure I can easily find someone else who would want it – you can have a look and have first option if you like.

    (It's here if you want to have a closer look. I wouldn't mind keeping the gimbal arrangements and the pot-holder, which mine doesn't have, if you don't mind. They look to be home-made and added on, anyway.)


    Last modified: 15 Aug 2024 10:32 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 15 Aug 2024 10:07
    Reply # 13394077 on 13393546
    Anonymous wrote:

    I cook proper meals so need something better than a camping arrangement.  All sensible suggestions welcome.

    With LiFePo4 getting cheaper I thought about cooking with an induction hob and have been using one with shore power for the last months. I don't particularly like it. At least the cheaper portable ones I know are very noisy. There is always a big fan running at full speed even when simmering on lowest setting. They beep loudly when you lift the pot and stop working when water overflows. For the record, I can't recommend this. :/


  • 15 Aug 2024 09:23
    Reply # 13394069 on 1195343

    A while ago, I tried my hardest to create a home-workshop version of the Maxie alcohol burner, which was similar in operation to the Salsa/Mamba type, but more powerful, though not particularly long-lasting - and failed. I never liked the Origo burner, but remain convinced that alcohol is the most suitable fuel for cooking aboard. I liked the Trangia type for ultralight backpacking, but couldn't see how to make it suitable for long term use aboard. 

    Now, with Annie's problem in mind, I looked at the current market situation. As usual one has to go to China for innovation and entrepreneurship. I found this, which might just point to a way forward: a lightly pressurised alcohol tank supplying a vaporising burner.

    Not too expensive, and seems to come in versions that might be re-engineered to fit into a fiddle-railed/gimballed kind of scenario. I think I'll order one, and see how well it works. Not for my own use, as I'm now ashore for good, but just to keep me amused and occupied.

  • 14 Aug 2024 23:11
    Reply # 13393949 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Annie

    just looked at the consumption of one of those small butane cookers - albeit a “marine grade” one from SVB in Germany - 150g per hour.  A canister is 220 or thereabouts, so yes you could easily use a canister per day which is way too expensive for a liveaboard, though fine for the likes of me who’ll only use a handful per year (and any leftover spares can go in the weed burner at home)

    kevin

     https://www.svb24.com/en/devil-sd-ng-gas-cooker-with-flame-failure-device.html?price=0-120 



  • 14 Aug 2024 12:58
    Reply # 13393655 on 1195343

    Hi Annie,

    sorry to see your Origo in such a desastrous shape!

    As you mentioned the Salsa/Mamba: We have been using our Salsa now daily for over 3 months, cooking every day - definitely not only warming up instant noodles. As you mentioned, it has only 1 kW. It really is not that much, we are often looking forward to cook decently when back on land - which is a pitty! As I wrote earlier, the first 10 minutes are about fine, they give enough power. Afterwards, you are training your patience while cooking - not to speak about roasting! As far as I understand from your vegetarian sailing food blog (which both of us enjoy a lot!), this burner would probably not be sufficient for your needs...


    Cheers,

    Paul

  • 14 Aug 2024 09:35
    Reply # 13393616 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Annie,
    that didn’t look good. Funny, I’ve seen Origo stoves, which have looked fine after decades.
    Are you sure this is a real Origo and not a copy? Anyway, I bet there are zillions of second-hand Origos in NZ. It should be possible to lay your hands on one of them(?)...

    As for my own Origos  -  one model 3000 in Ingeborg, and one model 1500 at home  -  I think I have cracked the clean-burn code now. With a modified burner and the use of 80% alcohol, the pots stay perfectly soot-free. I wiped off my kettle the other day, and not a molecule of soot could be spotted on the white paper towel afterwards. One trick is to set the burner low, at 2 of 4 for the first 10-20 seconds after cold-start, to let it warm up and speed up the airflow. That keeps most of the smell away. But you know that, of course...
    Hope you find a secondhand  stove soon!

    Cheers,
    Arne


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  • 14 Aug 2024 07:56
    Reply # 13393604 on 1195343

    I'm appalled to see those origo burners corroding like that. I'd have a look at Trangia camping cook sets. I've no idea of the burner power of those, except to say they are slow to boil water, compared with paraffin burners.

    I keep seeing Primus stoves being sold for fair prices on ebay. If you can make do without adjustable, self pricking burners, that may be an answer. Nick Skeates gave up on those ages ago and "Wylo" carries a pair of Primuses on a swinging rack.You need a good supply of prickers and burner power may be reduced by de-pressurising the fuel tank. Spare burners seem to be readily available at a reasonable price and the only other spares you'll need are leather cup washers for the pumps, which cost next to nothing.

    The only other solution I can think of is the one adopted by Bill King in "Galway Blazer". He never cooked anything and like the horses of that name, seemed to thrive on a diet consisting largely of oats and water, eaten cold.

  • 14 Aug 2024 01:15
    Reply # 13393546 on 1195343

    I am getting a bit desperate.  The tanks on my Origo have corroded around the rims - obviously, I'm doing too much cooking.  I can't say I like the stove that much - it's far dirtier to cook with than kero.  I've looked at the little gas cartridge stoves, but because I don't live in a city or have access to a mega store, the cartridges are $4 each - about £2.  I reckon I'd use one a day.  Following Kevin's suggestion if could recycle them, but strictly, it's against the rules.


    A Salsa/Mamba would be possible, but apparently they only burn at 1 kw, half of my present cooker, although I'm pretty sceptical about Origo's claim.


    The Bonetti stoves available in Oz are very small - there isn't room for a frying pan and a kettle on the double burner.


    A standard butane stove is an issue because I have to manhandle the containers, which are heavy, I cook too much for the 2.5 kilo ones to be realistic and I have to pay a premium to get those filled.


    I could go back to Kero, but the spares are impossibly expensive and goofd-quality fuel is hard to obtain.


    I cook proper meals so need something better than a camping arrangement.  All sensible suggestions welcome.


    In the meantime, has anyone got any spare fuel tanks they could sell me?

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  • 28 Jul 2024 07:58
    Reply # 13387244 on 13373210
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Not wishing to hijack this thread, but as it's about stoves and cookers, I wonder ifanyone could suggest a readily available material to use in a trangia to soak up thealcohol, in a similar manner to the Origo does.

    Maybe it wouldn't work in the Trangia, but it would help prevent spills if it did.

    I would imagine ceramic fibre would be better and I will test this, I have ceramic fibreand some trangia burners. I reckon it won't work though as the Trangia keeps burninguntil the last drop of ethanol, by which stage the flame would be below the top of thefibre which would then blacken and clog up. The Origo uses ceramic fibre, the Compassversion uses cheaper rock wool with a thin layer of ceramic fibre on top. I can post asample of ceramic fibre to you David D if it looks useful. I think a wider, larger volume,Trangia type burner would be great, can anyone here weld one up from Stainless Steel orbrazed brass?

    I've find this video about modifying a Trangia burner.

    The video focus about efficiency but any boiling test has been done.

    Despite that, the modification presented could be a good idea for soaking up alcohol andavoid spilling....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=580cPNYvlks 


    Hi all!

    After a week of cooking with our modified Trangia I can say that the modification fulfills our purpose and the alcohol does not overflow even if the burner is filled for 3/4 and the boat rolls a bit. We were able to cook even at anchor. We’ve find also a 2,7 l pressure cooker on Amazon  that fits the Trangia basement almost perfectly. We were able to cook daily (mainly  vegetables and noodles) for four…the noodles became creamy and taste great :)

    A summer receipt for four: pasta al pomodoro fresco 

    Ingredients: 300g rigatoni (penne are also good)

                        3 ripe tomatoes (we love ox hearth tomatoes)

                        Two cloves of garlic

                        Extra virgin olive oil 

    Cook the rigatoni in the pressure cooker for 5 minutes

    While this, cut the tomatoes into small cubes and chop the garlic 

    Mix tomatoes and garlic into a large bowl and add noodles and olive oil…

    Buon appetito! 

    Mauro

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  • 14 Jul 2024 19:14
    Reply # 13381839 on 1195343

    Annie, why do you think the containers are difficult to recycle?  I go through two or three a year in my workshop and just punch a nail hole in them to let out any residual gas and then throw them in the general metal recycling at the bring-centre or the food tin bin at the bottle bank, after all it's just steel like a food tin. Or am I missing something?

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