Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 31 Mar 2017 23:28
    Reply # 4705262 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I wonder how that pump is regulated; just by adjusting the DC between 0 and 12V? Or should it be regulated with a pulse-length regulator?

    The pump's capacity appears to be on the high side for this job. Only about 2% of its capacity is needed for working in a stove, it seems. I am unsure how it will react to a needle valve on the output to limit the flow.


    Last modified: 31 Mar 2017 23:42 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 31 Mar 2017 22:33
    Reply # 4705162 on 1195343

    Good lateral thinking, Arne!

    I think this might possibly be of use:

    12V DC Peristaltic Dosing Pump

  • 31 Mar 2017 21:30
    Reply # 4705108 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    It appears to me that the main challenge with both heaters and cookers is to get a reliable, steady and adjustable flow of fuel. Drip-drip-drip, just like that, steady.

    The drip regulator on my first Taylor Diesel heater was a disaster, almost literally: Only luck and the fact that I had copper-covered all walls around the heater prevented it from burning down Malena and the rest of Haugesund (jazz festival) when the ‘regulator’ ran away.

    The next, a Taylor kerosene heater (in Johanna) with an Optimus/Primus burner, was a bit better, but here the opposite happened: As it got hot, is gradually turned itself off. It kind of choked itself although the pressure was fine.

    Then there is the Reflex heater.
    This has a delicate regulator that works magnificently until some tiny imperfection in the diesel fuel makes it cock up. And then, just a look in the instruction manual
      and the ‘exploded view’ of its internals makes one back away: It is about as complicated as a WWII Norden bombsight.

    The improved alcohol burners which David Tyler has told us about, sound interesting, but even these are not really easy for anyone to fit and make work.

    What if:
    A few years back I spent a few days nose-up in a hospital bed. The driprate of the drip (salt water?) I got in my arm was adjusted about as on my Taylor heater. Its rate also depended on my position. Even if I lifted the arm only a little, the driprate dropped noticeably. Then there was  another toy connected, called a ‘pain pump’, adding to the fun. This thing was electric with an internal battery, and it provided a calibrated driprate, completely independent of how I moved.

    Now, that is what we could use: A tiny, calibrated, battery-driven pump. With such a device, replacing all sorts of mechanical fuel regulators, we could even put the tank below the stove, which in my view is safer. Such a pump would transform care-needy and downright unsafe heaters and stoves into our best friends.

    Where do we find such pumps  -  without raiding the nearest hospital?

    Arne


    Last modified: 31 Mar 2017 23:34 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 31 Mar 2017 20:24
    Reply # 4704985 on 4703966
    Annie Hill wrote:
    Graham Cox wrote:I was only joking about designing the perfect stove, though I seem to remember you have been working on a stove project.
    I wasn't!!
    I'd be very interested in a project like this., but I'm not sure what I can contribute.


  • 31 Mar 2017 08:00
    Reply # 4703966 on 4703503
    Graham Cox wrote:I was only joking about designing the perfect stove, though I seem to remember you have been working on a stove project.
    I wasn't!!
  • 30 Mar 2017 23:45
    Reply # 4703503 on 4702037
    David Tyler wrote:
    Graham Cox wrote:

     I have used simmer pads, to reduce the heat, though where you would find one these days I don't know.  

    Just buy a disc of 3mm thick stainless steel sheet like this



    Thanks for the tip, David.  My gas stove actually simmers beautifully but I am considering alternatives because if I "retire" to a cooler climate, I might replace my two-burner gas stove with a one-burner stove, and put a cabin heater or pot-bellied stove alongside it.  I don't have anywhere else I can put the heater.  I was only joking about designing the perfect stove, though I seem to remember you have been working on a stove project.
  • 30 Mar 2017 11:02
    Reply # 4702052 on 4701936
    Annie Hill wrote:
    Graham Cox wrote:

     perhaps a genius like David Tyler can invent an efficient alcohol one and we can fit a large, separate storage tank, so we can stock up with alcohol in places where the costs are reasonable.

    Go for it, David.  (If you have plenty of solar power, you could always distill your own alcohol.  Stills are readily available in NZ.)
    The difficult is that which can be done immediately, the impossible that which takes a little longer.
  • 30 Mar 2017 10:58
    Reply # 4702037 on 4701308
    Graham Cox wrote:

     I have used simmer pads, to reduce the heat, though where you would find one these days I don't know.  

    Just buy a disc of 3mm thick stainless steel sheet like this


  • 30 Mar 2017 09:08
    Reply # 4701936 on 4697887
    Graham Cox wrote:

     perhaps a genius like David Tyler can invent an efficient alcohol one and we can fit a large, separate storage tank, so we can stock up with alcohol in places where the costs are reasonable.

    Go for it, David.  (If you have plenty of solar power, you could always distill your own alcohol.  Stills are readily available in NZ.)
  • 30 Mar 2017 09:06
    Reply # 4701935 on 4701308
    Graham Cox wrote:

    Another challenge with kerosene stoves is when you want to simmer food.  Turning the burner down low for long periods often allows it to get too cool, resulting in a sudden flare up of liquid burning kerosene.  Besides the fire hazard, it leaves an oily soot on the deckhead that is almost impossible to clean up.  Taylors kero stoves had a cast iron top, with inserts to place over the burners, so you could simmer without turning the flame down too far, but I have never seen another stove like that and have heard of one instance when the burner had a meltdown.  I have used simmer pads, to reduce the heat, though where you would find one these days I don't know. 

    They are still available, Graham!  Good, too, although they are steel, so you need to keep them away from sea water.
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