Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 01 Oct 2017 23:05
    Reply # 5290024 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Annie wrote on her blog:

     

    «... but why, oh why, does no-one produce a good, fast, well-made alcohol cooker for heaven's sake?...»

    To me it seems that the German alcohol stoves (google Spiritus Kocher) are good. Those guys have been making them for almost hundred years, and improved them until today. The Hpv stoves with 1000W burners looks good to me, and they are relatively cheap. To get a 2kW burner I would seriously consider cannibalising a two-burner unit. Then I would rebuild it so that both burners came close enough to each other to heat the same casserole or pan.

    Simple (..on paper)!

    Cheers,
    Arne

    PS: A single-burner 2kW Origo 1500, plus a single-burner Hpv-salsa seem to me to be a good combination for a serious cook.

    After all, my boil-test showed that the Origo cooked 1/2 litre in 4:39min while the Optimus 111 did it in 3:45min after preheating. David reported on 20.9 that his Maxie burner took 5m 48s  to boil the same amount. 

    What is left to check now, is how fast the Origo cooks 500ml when turned down to an all-blue flame.



    Last modified: 01 Oct 2017 23:07 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 01 Oct 2017 18:33
    Reply # 5289736 on 5289167
    Annie Hill wrote:Riddle of the Sands fans take notice: there are not one, but two Rippingilles cookers for sail on E-Bay.  I'm seriously wondering if I should buy one and solve my problem of what cooker to fit!

    “At the Stores I asked for a No. 3 Rippingille stove, and was confronted with a formidable and hideous piece of ironmongery, which burned petroleum in two capacious tanks, horribly prophetic of a smell of warm oil. I paid for this miserably, convinced of its grim efficiency, but speculating as to the domestic conditions which caused it to be sent for as an afterthought by telegram.”

    Excerpt from Erskine Childers: “The Riddle of the Sands.”

  • 30 Sep 2017 22:36
    Reply # 5289167 on 1195343
    Riddle of the Sands fans take notice: there are not one, but two Rippingilles cookers for sail on E-Bay.  I'm seriously wondering if I should buy one and solve my problem of what cooker to fit!
    Last modified: 30 Sep 2017 22:37 | Anonymous member
  • 30 Sep 2017 15:04
    Reply # 5288645 on 1195343

    Konstantin Stanislavski the Russian theatre dare I say 'guru' called it Sense Memory.  Those actors who have been trained in 'the method' and derive their skillset from the  teachings of the Actors Studio, Harold Clurman and Stella Adler use these triggers to regenerate a truthful feeling. As do some who don't! Using music of a relevent kind is a   useful technique.

    File under 'useless info', David. 

  • 29 Sep 2017 13:46
    Reply # 5287342 on 5283040
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    Zane Krajancic wrote:

     As a young lad our extended family all went camping to the beach every Xmas holidays in a huge tent. No electricity, so lighting and cooking was all Kerosene.  Those were the days.  It's funny how smells can be positive or negative based on your memories and emotions.

    It really is amazing, connection.  It's sometimes called the Proust phenomenon.  If you want to really geek out on it (like I do), there's this well done article

    But it's probably more enjoyable for most people to just live the memory.

  • 29 Sep 2017 08:50
    Reply # 5286339 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I have checked up the multi-fuel burners. Most of them are of the loud type, and they don’t have an internal cleaning needle. However, some are with silent burners, and could probably be built into an old stove, like the Optimus 155, if needed. Their output seems to be very high, up to 3kW.

    However, by searching on “Petroleum Kocher” (kerosene stove), a few German sites pop up. One even sells brand new Optimus 155 and spares. One, like the Topplicht site, operate in English for those who don’t read German.

    I guess, for serious cooking, one 2.5kW kero burner, plus one Origo 1500 single burner stove is ideal. The last one’s ability to set on simmer heat (and then with a perfectly blue flame) is very useful.

    Btw, during browsing the www, I came over a discussion about kerosene and smell. One fellow stated that by adding 5% denaturized alcohol to the kerosene, the kerosene lamps just about stopped producing any smell.

    Arne

     PS: Yesterday I came over this Swedish site on Kerosene stoves. It is a Facebook site, so maybe one must be on Facebook to make it work. Hopefully the translator makes it understandable.


    Last modified: 29 Sep 2017 09:18 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 29 Sep 2017 07:44
    Reply # 5286088 on 5283895
    Mark Thomasson wrote:

    I have never tried one - but won't multi-fuel camping stove run off kerosene?  Plenty of spares available.

    Yes, but they are both expensive and diminutive.  OK for camping cooking, but not really the sort of thing you'd want to cook on seriously.
  • 28 Sep 2017 14:01
    Reply # 5283895 on 1195343

    I have never tried one - but won't multi-fuel camping stove run off kerosene?  Plenty of spares available.

  • 27 Sep 2017 22:04
    Reply # 5283157 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    In the end, it seems that the biggest problem with the kerosene stoves is that they  have become so rare. Back in 1982, I could buy the Optimus 555 stove (which Annie mentioned) for Malena over the counter, and I could do the same in 1999 when I bought the Model 155 for Johanna. The shops had spares; jets, needles, gaskets and wotnot. Today I can still buy a brand-new Origo alcohol stove in my local boat-equipment shop, and these last forever without needing any service at all.

    Smell:
    Since most boats up to the eighties had kerosene stoves, no one took much notice of a bit smell from it. There were plenty of other smells around; tar, diesel, fresh varnish  -  and tobacco smoke! Every-one‘s dad was puffing his pipe quite frequently. Today, with very few people smoking, and no one smoking in-doors, a smoker can easily be detected on the smell.

    These days...
    ... kerosene stoves are only available second-hand here, and one has to be one’s own service man  -  no help or advice to get from the neighbouring gin palace (..the www is good to have, though  -  Odin save the Google Advanced Search...).

    In a way, the kero stove is now much like the junk rig: Both the kero stove and the JR depend on your skills to stay in order...

    Arne

     


    Last modified: 28 Sep 2017 08:33 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 27 Sep 2017 20:38
    Reply # 5283044 on 5283040
    Zane Krajancic wrote:

    The smell of Kerosene is pleasant to me and brings back fond childhood memories and I could easily live with it onboard, although I have a yet to be installed Origo alcohol cooker.

     As a young lad our extended family all went camping to the beach every Xmas holidays in a huge tent. No electricity, so lighting and cooking was all Kerosene.  Those were the days.  It's funny how smells can be positive or negative based on your memories and emotions.


    I enjoy going on to a boat redolent with the smell of oil lamps and a Primus.  I just don't really appreciate smelling like that myself!

    I don't think you'd get on with a Primus, Zane - changing the needles is fiddly and requires much patience!


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