Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 20 Apr 2018 16:46
    Reply # 6112593 on 1195343

    http://www.junkrigassociation.org/yachtclubbar/487928#5654047

    I think the eye watering is to do with the formulation of the fuel. I've heard of this when methanol is used (methyl hydrate is more common in Canada than denatured ethanol), but I haven't experienced it. It may also be because of imperfect combustion when the burner is warming up.

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  • 20 Apr 2018 15:26
    Reply # 6112515 on 1195343
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    The extra condensation makes sense to me:  there's more H2O around due to the more complete combustion.  

    The eye watering - not as clear, but a perfect phenomenon for rampant speculation.  A couple questions:

    I don't have Facebook - what were the modifications and what materials did Pete use to make them?  

    Do your eyes remain irritated as long as the burner is going, or only for the first few minutes after it's lit?


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  • 20 Apr 2018 07:14
    Reply # 6112087 on 1195343

    Hi

    I badgered (!) Pete to make the modifications to the Oryx's Origo 3000 stove as per David Tyler's suggestion I found on FaceBook and somewhere in this thread (sorry can't find it now).  Having done so here are my findings:

    Advantages

    • It seems to burn better and stronger. The flame is blue instead of yellow. 

    Disadvantages

    • It seems to need to warm up before getting the full flame, which it never did before.
    • The fumes produced are watering my eyes, not Pete's
    • At the bottom of the kettle there is a lot of condensation when first put on the flame, which was never there before
    • None of this did I notice before - having used the stove for the past 18 months. 

    Can anyone explain why my eyes are affected by this modification? 

    PS: Beware doing the modification on older cookers as the Flame Spreaders become fragile and may break when removing them,  speaking from experience!


  • 19 Jan 2018 05:59
    Reply # 5690781 on 5688383
    David Porter wrote:

    Just discovered this interesting thread. My two cents - I bought an Origo two burner forr a yacht I had in HK and was very happy with it for the three years or so before I sold the boat on leaving the country. Well made, and it cooked fast enough for my admittedly modest requirements.The only issue was that the flame was sometimes a bit hard to see in daylight but you got used to it. I would certainly buy another one, though I think they are pricey for what they are.

    David

    Hi David

    This topic seems to have become subsumed in this thread.  (I would really love for someone to volunteer to go through all the various fora and reorganise them.  For example, there are a lot of topics on the General Forum, that really ought to be on the Technical Forum.)

    It's good to hear your positive comments.  If you look at the thread I've just linked to, you will see that David Tyler reckons he has improved the Origo - although I think, if anything, the flame will be less visible.  This can be a problem with an alcohol cooker.  Holding a hand over the burner usually clarifies the issue!

    Pricey for what they are?  Probably.  On the other hand, I don't suppose that the demand for them compares with gas cookers and the carriage and import duties were no doubt a significant part of the cost.


  • 17 Jan 2018 22:07
    Reply # 5688383 on 1195343
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    Just discovered this interesting thread. My two cents - I bought an Origo two burner forr a yacht I had in HK and was very happy with it for the three years or so before I sold the boat on leaving the country. Well made, and it cooked fast enough for my admittedly modest requirements.The only issue was that the flame was sometimes a bit hard to see in daylight but you got used to it. I would certainly buy another one, though I think they are pricey for what they are.

    David

  • 03 Oct 2017 16:38
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    Annie Hill wrote:
    Neil Tanner wrote:

    I don't know if this link has been mentioned or if will be of any use.  It's been helpful for me since I use kerosene for cooking and heating on Sea Elf.  https://classiccampstoves.com/


    Yup, I discovered it some time ago when investigating pressure alcohol stoves.  All sorts of interesting stuff.  It's amazing how many people appear to collect them rather than simply to use them!!
    The folks in the group were really helpful when I had issues with my heater.  In fact one of the fellows in the UK sent me misc. stuff no charge to get the heater running properly again. 

    I guess if it exists, someone's gonna collect it, some just like to look at the stuff on their shelves...others like to use 'em.  Actually, there is a section in CCS where the guys will show meals they're cooking with the their refurbished stoves......my mouth drools looking at some of the meals!


  • 02 Oct 2017 21:45
    Reply # 5291435 on 5290759
    Neil Tanner wrote:

    I don't know if this link has been mentioned or if will be of any use.  It's been helpful for me since I use kerosene for cooking and heating on Sea Elf.  https://classiccampstoves.com/


    Yup, I discovered it some time ago when investigating pressure alcohol stoves.  All sorts of interesting stuff.  It's amazing how many people appear to collect them rather than simply to use them!!
  • 02 Oct 2017 15:24
    Reply # 5290759 on 1195343
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    I don't know if this link has been mentioned or if will be of any use.  It's been helpful for me since I use kerosene for cooking and heating on Sea Elf.  https://classiccampstoves.com/

  • 02 Oct 2017 04:14
    Reply # 5290295 on 5290024
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Annie wrote on her blog:

     

    «... but why, oh why, does no-one produce a good, fast, well-made alcohol cooker for heaven's sake?...»

    To get a 2kW burner I would seriously consider cannibalising a two-burner unit. Then I would rebuild it so that both burners came close enough to each other to heat the same casserole or pan.

    I rest my case, m'lud.  I don't want to build one, I want to buy one!!
  • 02 Oct 2017 02:30
    Reply # 5290179 on 5290024
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:


    PS: A single-burner 2kW Origo 1500, plus a single-burner Hpv-salsa seem to me to be a good combination for a serious cook.

    After all, my boil-test showed that the Origo cooked 1/2 litre in 4:39min while the Optimus 111 did it in 3:45min after preheating. David reported on 20.9 that his Maxie burner took 5m 48s  to boil the same amount. 


    Arne, I'm not sure you're comparing apples to apples.  When I did a head to head with the Maxie and the Origo using the same pot/fuel/water volume/temperature, the Maxie is more efficient in fuel use and also faster.  However, the Origo is not so far behind, it still is a very useful stove.


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