Boat electrics - solar controller

  • 19 Sep 2012 08:23
    Reply # 1076287 on 1075616
    Hi Gary - article on the Mollymawk blogsite about various led lights and the light quality of same might be of interest. David R
  • 19 Sep 2012 07:31
    Reply # 1076262 on 1075616
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    Thanks Lesley, your posting has been very useful. Initially I didnt understand what the 12v out terminal in some controllers were for, was it a regulated 12V good for LEDs or not?
    Anyway, that doesn't matter since I dont think I'll use it. It happens the 50A rating of controllers may not apply to the 12V output terminal, so a 20A would do.
    On building an LED driver I might utilise my brother inlaw who is the electronics expert (doesnt everyone have one of those?).
    Your advice on buying battery banks together is noted. But I thought that is what battery isolators are for, to prevent one battery draining into another.

    So now that the circuit diagram is settled, the remaining issue is the LED lights themselves I bought one LED dome light to test in the cabin. Terrible, the glare from the tiny diodes is irritating. So next I will test LED strip lights, have them rebounding of the walls/overhead to avoid the glare problem.
  • 19 Sep 2012 06:02
    Reply # 1076208 on 1075957
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    I'll guess I'll just get an eBay 50A controller, simplifies everything..


    @Gary. Havent purchased panels or batteries yet. Will start with one 100Ah first, then decide later whether to add a 2nd with an isolator or not.
    You'd need a 50A controller if that's what's coming out of your solar panels, or will be if you're planning to add to it later. If it's your sole method of charging, you'd spec the solar panel output to what you need to charge your batteries.

    The collective wisdom is don't mix new and old batteries within the same bank (ie connected together) and a larger bank will last longer & perform better than running the same number of batteries in separate banks. If you buy one battery now and add another later, the old one can pull down the performance of the new one so it's better to replace batteries in a multi-battery bank all in one go.

    Lesley
  • 19 Sep 2012 05:49
    Reply # 1076200 on 1075616
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    I would agree, the controller  regulates the juice going TO the batteries and not the voltage in the boat, (which is the voltage of the batteries)  so your led driver on the lighting circuit would be advisable to regulate the voltage into the led's.  Or you can make your own for a lot less than 18 dollars. The solar controller allows you to set the bulk, absorb and float charge levels for your batteries dep on what type and these will always be over 12v (for a 12v system). I'd keep it totally separate from the boat's load system. Although some do have a 12v out connection, I personally would not run all the boat system off that. Aside from if the controller dies so does everything else, the controllers I've seen just don't have a large enough connector to connect the gauge of heavy duty wire that I would expect to see used in anything but a tiny boat system.  We have the cockpit LED light wired into the controller, as our controller can be programmed to make the light come on after dusk.  There are times when we're producing too much electric, so I fitted a breaker to the electric into the controller, which I can use to shut down the solar power.

    Consider http://www.bebi-electronics.com/  for led's they have the controller built in and come with a lifetime guarantee. We're running these for all our lights nav included. You have to rewire your fittings, but I'd recommend these to anyone!

    Also consider going shuntless for your battery monitor:
     http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/smartgauge.html

    "The only disadvantage is if your regulator can display amps used then any power used by the inverter will not be displayed."  Another way to view it is to know what is actually left in the batteries for me to use, which is part of the reason I went for smartgauge. Other reasons were that shunt based technology can get out of synch with the batteries and also cause voltage drop.

    The smartgauge site also has a wealth of resource material for planning 12v systems.  It answered my question "if a bank has more than one battery, connected in parallel, with the load and feed cables coming off the last one, does the first one actually get as much charge/use" One or two people pooh poohed my naive question, but it seems this traditional way of connecting batteries can affect the batteries adversely.  http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/batt_con.html

    I may be teaching my Grandmother to suck eggs, but don't forget that whatever your total amp hours are on paper, in practise, available amps are ideally roughly only 40% of that, if you want to get as much life as possible out of the batteries. I'd recommend  as much battery capacity as you can from the start. But that's just my opinion!

    Our alternator (fused) is connected directly to the battery,  so is the inverter (its 2.5 KW with it's own isolator switch and fuse). We have a separate 24hr fused system that doesn't run through the battery isolator switch for things we dont want to switch off by mistake - like the bilge pump.

    Dont forget also, that fuses should protect the wire and not what's connected to it, and the wires should be big enough to carry the max load and then some, also factoring in voltage drop over the length of wire needed.  IMHO I'd over spec your wires coming from batteries to the distribution board and wire up spare breakers and lay extra runs alongside what you need now to allow quick connection at a later date of new stuff.

    I may be talking out of turn here, and if you've considered all of this or it doesn't apply to your boat, my apologies. I fear I spent too much time figuring out the rewiring of Crib it became an obsession!

    Lesley
  • 19 Sep 2012 04:18
    Reply # 1076134 on 1075616
    An LED driver, I hadn't even thought of that. I might have to get one...or two.
  • 19 Sep 2012 04:04
    Reply # 1076125 on 1075616
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    I looked at the circuit diagram in your link, Gary, and its similar to what David describes. The controller connects panels and battery, the battery runs the ship.
    So the lighting has to deal with whatever voltage the battery is at, anything from 11 to 14V. 
    What I'm fussing about is I dont want the LED's running at battery voltage, but have them regulated @12V. This way nice warm coloured lights dont turn ghost white.. (read it was a problem).
    Anyway, I found an LED driver, which can be inserted in the lighting circuit which probably suits my needs.

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  • 19 Sep 2012 01:38
    Reply # 1076002 on 1075616
    Gary I have one of these on the house and I've never had any trouble with it.

    http://www.energymatters.com.au/plasmatronics-20a-multivoltage-regulator-charge-controller-p-98.html

    Also you can get a shunt that allows you to run and monitor your inverter.
  • 19 Sep 2012 00:19
    Reply # 1075957 on 1075665
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    David Tyler wrote:

    Thus, there is no interaction between the solar controller and the rest of the system, and the controller only needs to be sized for the amount of panels you have.

    I was thinking the LED's need regulated voltage, thus the reason for running the whole lighting circuit from the controller's load output.
    Problem with that is, with the inverter bypassing the controller, there's 2 sets of wire going to the battery. Where to put the battery switch? I'd like to have the panels feeding the batteries permanently too.

    I'll guess I'll just get an eBay 50A controller, simplifies everything..

    @Gary. Havent purchased panels or batteries yet. Will start with one 100Ah first, then decide later whether to add a 2nd with an isolator or not.
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  • 18 Sep 2012 21:27
    Reply # 1075872 on 1075616
    Connected to your isolator switch would be better that way you can draw from either battery, unless you've hooked them together to give 12v.
  • 18 Sep 2012 21:23
    Reply # 1075869 on 1075616
    You can connect the inverter directly to the battery. The only disadvantage is if your regulator can display amps used then any power used by the inverter will not be displayed.
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