Camber and induced drag

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  • 21 Sep 2024 07:15
    Reply # 13409230 on 13397914

    Jep, thanks for pointing me to that thesis. While being a very interesting read, it appears to me that getting reliable and sufficient measurement data had been a challenge. These kinds of problems often arise when field testing... Too many variables.

  • 13 Sep 2024 09:00
    Reply # 13406236 on 13397914
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    Well, I was not that young in 1994, as I rounded 40 that year. Still, I must have been considerably more agile than today.

    I was in full job. In addition, I spent a lot of energy on a referendum campaign which culminated the 29. November, when Norway said no to membership in the EU.
    In addition, or in between, I made that blue barrel-cut sail for Malena and got in some sailing with it. Finally, I produced that write-up, signed 4th December (.. it  took another ten months before it was printed in NL 30).

    Another scientific work about the JR was finished and published in 2000 by Joddy Chapman. I suggest you start with Chapter 8  -  the conclusion.

    Arne


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  • 13 Sep 2024 06:50
    Reply # 13406229 on 13397914

    Graeme, thank you for pointing us to this magazine issue from '95! Highly interesting, I totally forgot my time schedule this morning while digging deep into it. It appears to me that quite some intensive research had been conducted in those times - however, unfortunately not with the kind of modern rigs we sail today. Still, some very interesting conclusions can be drawn, and some of those they made might be questioned.


    Thanks again, Graeme, that was a golden hint! Also to young Arne, and the rocket start of the barrel cut camber. What an adventurous time!

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  • 13 Sep 2024 03:06
    Reply # 13406208 on 13397914
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Some research done by students at The School of Engineering, Exeter University on behalf of the JRA may be relevant to Paul's investigations.

    There is a write-up in the July 1995 Newsletter (Issue 30).


    Incidentally, the same Newsletter also records a rather historic event: '... how I made a cambered junksail using straight battens ' by young Arne Kverneland.

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  • 11 Sep 2024 18:53
    Reply # 13405530 on 13397914

    Well, that tufting experiment proved very little, except that you can helm well, and thankfully cost you very little too, except time.

    TBH the only time I've seen my telltales (on the Bermudan rig) fly upwards is when I've sheeted in too much or heeled too much or if I'm really pointing a bit too high (on the jib).

    Maybe the higher pressure flow on the windward side to the leeward side occurs further out from the sail as the simple blocking effect of the sail and battens tends to straighten the airflow rearward right at the sail?.


    Maybe your videos will reveal more, when watched it slo-mo.


    Paul thanks, for doing it.


  • 11 Sep 2024 15:39
    Reply # 13405446 on 13397914

    Junk rig association returnee here unfortunately nowadays only able to sail an imaginary junk rig armchair. But many years ago when I was young I sailed back from France in a snow storm. It was in a pointy rig yacht but the flow of air through the slot could be seen, we played around with the sheeting positions to see the difference it made. Perhaps we could persuade a junk rig owner in the north to keep their craft in commision during the winter. Maybe funds could be made available to provide a bottle of Scotch to keep the crew warm.



  • 10 Sep 2024 21:29
    Reply # 13405240 on 13405193

    PS: Do you wear a smoking when smoking?

    A smoking jacket? I put on my finest bee-suit!
  • 10 Sep 2024 19:46
    Reply # 13405193 on 13397914

    Tufting Results

    Well, after a little more sailing I gathered quite some footage to be evaluated. I tested different courses to the wind, and always sheeted to have all leech telltales flying. Conditions were from F3-6, beam reach to close hauled, gentle seas (more or less).

    Today I went through all of the recordings, only to find that they all show the same: regardless of wind speed and course, all tufted telltales fly horizontally - at least with the sensors at hand: my eyes. It also didn't matter if on port- or starboard tack (only the two most forward measurement points were indicating the detached airflow on port tack, not shown in the sketch). The following sketch sums it up, with heeling corrected.

    Not that much learnt from this experiment, except that the air is flowing horizontally. Great, finally we got that secured...

    However, what I could observe clearly is that the telltales do not point more upwards on windward than on leeward - which would be my expectation when a tip vortex is formed. However, as my measurement method (eyesight) is rather rough, and the upwash and downwash due to the tip vortex forming is rather small, this tells us nothing.

    Hm. I do not trust this little experiment of mine. Too much noise, too rough. A lot of wrong indications could be drawn.


    It was, however, nice to watch this woolen horde stream happily while sailing :-)

    Paul



    PS: Do you wear a smoking when smoking?

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  • 10 Sep 2024 17:11
    Reply # 13405119 on 13397914
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Haha, Jan

    our Viking English may sometimes sound   -  er  -  different.

    Btw. how is your Norwegian?

    Arne...

    ..must go and smoke some herrings...

  • 10 Sep 2024 16:38
    Reply # 13405107 on 13397914

    I wouldn't go so far as to call myself a bee keeper but I did build two top-frame hives that I have in the orchard and the bees are welcome to come and go as they like! I very rarely smoke bees! (very hard to roll up in a rizla paper!) 


    Came across this while inventing something else entirely unconnected with sailing:

    Pyromaniac's dream...

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