Cash prize of 250 GBP - Dinghy Design Competition

  • 16 May 2021 12:47
    Reply # 10511779 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I have just added David Tyler's entry to the competition webpage - it has taken a bit of time, but I have been occupied trying to track down a mystery bad electrical connection on the boat...

    I have named the design Tender to Sibling, as that was the idea that David took as a starting point. David - that name can be changed if it does not suit.  View it here.

    Arne and Graeme - are you sure you do not want to put your ideas in as entries?  I am going to add them to the same page anyway, if that is alright, but will do so after the judges have had a look.  Which is delayed - the planned committee meeting has been postponed.

    All the best,

    Mark

  • 12 May 2021 10:31
    Reply # 10471419 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I choose to make my comments on any design here, as I think it is easier to follow the discussion here.

    Now I have had a look on the entries.  Two of them appear to come from professional designers. Here are designs for every taste. Some are so complicated that they will satisfy the real boatbuilders among the members. Lovely winter projects if you have a workshop and the tools and skills. I am not there, so Slieve’s KISS design appeals most to me.
    Last night I traced the panels from his sketch over to my QCAD program and printed out the panels in 1:10 scale. These were glued onto an old calendar, and this let me assemble it. I only had the main frame, the bottom and the side panels made this way. When cutting out the bottom panel, I cut a millimetre outside the line, since the topsides and transoms were to sit on top of it. The transoms were measured up on the model on the table before fitting them.

    The building procedure of the model could easily be used for building the real thing. Just replace the tape and hot-glue with some sort of stitch and glue technique.
    All the other pieces, rubbing strakes, thwarts, knees and so on are to be measured up on the actual boat  -  no need for detail drawings on them.

    This thing, painted with some left-over house paint, may not be the poshest of tenders, but it would be very useful and could be produced with simple tools within a week. To my eye the basic design is even quite elegant.

    I am very tempted.
    Arne


  • 12 May 2021 08:29
    Reply # 10470858 on 10211344

    I'm still uncomfortable with this being a competition with a cash prize and I still think that we were asked to design a dinghy that has been designed many times already, by many competent people. So I have let Mark know that if asked, I would decline an invitation to judge. Further, and simply to disqualify myself from judging, that my forum posting on 24th April at 09:59 might be considered as an entry submitted before the closing date.

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  • 10 May 2021 23:39
    Reply # 10462829 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Personally, I think we should keep the dinghy competition, especially as it has produced entries that are not actually on the website, and because the winning design will be built and can be assessed.”  

    Annie, how right you were – 100%.

    So much for the doubters (me included) – what a feast of different ideas and design philosophies. What talent! I don’t envy the judges.

    While David T and Arne have withdrawn from the competition, I would still like to see their concepts included in the gallery of designs. The “winner” concept still does not interest me so much, but the variety of ideas it has brought forth most certainly does, and I can’t express how impressed I am, with every one of them.

    That's most of my morning gone!

    My tuppence-worth of opinion? For a 8’ sailing tender I would go for the simplest, lightest and most economical use of materials.

    Thank you so much to all the contributors (and the Committee).


    Last modified: 10 May 2021 23:42 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 10 May 2021 20:50
    Reply # 10461952 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Thank you Arne, Annie, David and Graeme!

    I am pleased to report that we had eight designs submitted in the end, albeit three of them from the same designer.  They are now available for viewing on this page.  I have used a blog format to allow members to comment (be constructive, please) and timed the publication dates so they are in alphabetical order by design naame.  After a lot of experimentation, I have published them in whichever manner left them closest to how they were submitted so some are text with pictures in the blog post, some have attachments and so on. 

    I hope you all enjoy looking at them as much as I did!  The committee meets next Saturday, and will finalise the group of members we would like to invite to be on the judging committee.  I expect to be able to announce a winner in June.

    Thank you to all who have contributed a design, and to those who have commented on this topic.

    Mark

  • 04 May 2021 13:35
    Reply # 10440440 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Mark,
    I didn’t bail out of the competition because I thought it was a bad idea. It was a good idea, and well timed too. I and many others were more or less locked down by Covid restrictions, so that competition was a fine opportunity to brush the dust off ‘the little grey ones’.
    I had already, in February had a go on drawing a 6m daysailer for myself, and this was my first 5-plank pram version. I decided to try using the 2-D QCAD program. This program favours simple lines, but that also may result in simple building.

    • ·         The rocker of the bottom was a circle sector with R=20.120m
    • ·         The rocker of the bottom sides and topsides were the same as that of the bottom.

    This is easy to achieve in QCAD and it also result in that the matching edges of adjacent planks have identical curves. The result (much helped by constant deadrise  -  ‘cylindrical development(?) ) is easier lofting of the planks and only straight edges on the transverse frames or bulkheads.

    Such niceties are not possible with pointy end(s), so I really like the pram version.
    Both ‘the 2.4m ‘Halibut’ and the 4m (later 4.46m) ‘Buddy’ have been drawn in the same way.
    Halibut’s rocker radius is 3083.33mm and on Buddy it is 9708.33mm.

    Arne


  • 04 May 2021 07:48
    Reply # 10439408 on 10211344
    Personally, I think we should keep the dinghy competition, especially as it has produced entries that are not actually on the website, and because the winning design will be built and can be assessed.  I shall be needing another dinghy myself in the not-too-distant future, and am dying to see what is on offer.

    Yes, the junket boat is interesting, but most people - or at least a goodly proportion of them - sail their boats to a junket and I for one, would rather see this than people towing their boats with polluting SUVs!!!

  • 03 May 2021 21:53
    Reply # 10437887 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    My scow was concept only, I do not have the skills or the software to make a proper dinghy design. However, I believe there is still value in the efforts of David and Arne.

    It appears that a fleet of one-design JRA sailing tenders is unlikely. That being the case my suggestion would be to withdraw the prize and the competition aspect, and just conclude with publication of a gallery of "concept sailing tenders" from which future tender-builders could draw inspiration and ideas. This is assuming that Arne and David would agree to having their efforts put forward as concept designs.

    Of course, I do not know anything about the other entries and if it is felt this would be unfair to those who have drawn up designs and made serious entries, then please ignore this suggestion.

    If the suggestion is thought to be useful, then I would further add that each concept design should consist of a concept drawing (or two) and be accompanied by a brief explanation from the designer. Expressions of interest in actually building any of these could, I am sure, be the subject of further discussion with the designer.

    On that basis I would be happy for the scow design to be included, just to make up the numbers.

    PS I have no doubt that Arne's creation of his "Halibut rig" has been a major step forward in the development of a simple dinghy junk rig.  This rig may well be adaptable to almost any tender which is capable of carrying sail, and I think we will see more of it.

    Apart from anything else, for that outcome alone, the competition has been of value, in my opinion. 


    PPS an alternative suggestion: publish two sections to your web page: (1) competition entries (2) additional proposals, concept only.

    Last modified: 03 May 2021 23:10 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 03 May 2021 21:30
    Reply # 10437789 on 10211344

    Correct, Mark. Doodles that I've posted here might well be developed further into a good design for a tender, but without actually building one myself and using it in earnest, I wouldn't want to formally enter it into the design competition.

  • 03 May 2021 21:14
    Reply # 10437701 on 10211344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Yes, I am out of the competition.
    I guess the lines of 'Halibut' are about how I want them, but since it has not been built and tested, neither the boat nor the rig, I drop out.

    Arne


    PS: I had the first, sailtrip in Ingeborg on Saturday! Still chilly here, but nice!


    Last modified: 03 May 2021 21:44 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
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