Cash prize of 250 GBP - Dinghy Design Competition

  • 20 May 2021 21:25
    Reply # 10527471 on 10211344

    Sorry Graeme, but you made a mistake in your mail today. You said, “Good one Slieve”. That should read, “Good one Alec and Peter”.

    I started them off by suggesting that they tried to use straight lines and eventually they worked out that the width of the 3 stations and the flare of the sides controlled the shape, and by trial and error, and another cereal packet found a shape they liked. It was them who rocked the basic frame on the flat panel to 'loft' the bottom panel, not me.

    As for them now drawing up the rig, they are busy with tests and GCSE exams for the next two weeks, but on Sunday 30th are coming for dinner so I'll be able to chat to them then. Alec will be spending a few days with us in the following couple of weeks so the rig could be a good project for him then. I may have guided them and asked the questions, but the design came from their answers.

    Cheers, Slieve.


  • 20 May 2021 13:54
    Reply # 10526175 on 10211344

    Going back to the design brief for this competition, under 'characteristics' the first line is:

    Simple and cheap to build, (think along the lines of building on a beach when the inflatable gives up the ghost unexpectedly)

    That, to my mind disqualifies the 5-planks. In fact only a simple 3-plank gets anywhere near satisfying it, and Slieve's KISS gets closest of all.

    Do they still run "The Sikaflex Challenge" at the Southampton Boat Show? Given a pile of plywood and some tubes of Sikaflex, and not much else, you had to race to build your boat and then race it around a course. For building a "quickie" on a beach, stitching together and applying  a tube of polyurethane goop would win hands down. 

  • 20 May 2021 12:00
    Reply # 10525808 on 10211344
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    Over the last two evenings I have spent a couple of hours knocking up a quick model of Slieve’s dinghy design KISS. I just wanted to see how easily these simple straight-line pieces could be made into 3-dimensional curves.

    First evening: loft four pieces just using a ruler and a protractor. (Actually I could not find my protractor but I found an old set of trig tables so I drew the angles on the plywood by linear measurement – more accurate anyway). Wrap the sides around the centre frame and attach to the bow and stern transoms. Apply epoxy fillet.


    It just went together almost by itself, no force required, I jambed the side planks in place with a few blocks of wood and a couple of tiny screws – and introduced some thickened epoxy fillets. (Its too small for stich or tape. The scale is 1:50 so they are giant fillets and the epoxy alone will be enough for a model  edit: silly mistake. its 1:5).

    Two hours.

    Next evening – clean up – rock the bottomless hull on a fresh piece of plywood and draw around it, thereby lofting the bottom panel. (Good one, Slieve). Support the bottom panel on a block of wood each end and press the hull down to it. Everything fits. Apply epoxy. Two hours.


    Magic. A curved hull from straight-line lofting.

    Building the hull in full size won’t be much more difficult than that.

    I reckon this is easier and quicker than building a box.

    It’s a nice shape too. The only curved plywood cuts are the transom tops – and those two curves are what transforms this plain little punt into something special and cute – an inspired touch.

    I wish all my projects would be as quick and easy, and satisfying as this.

    In the real case, I doubt that stitching will be necessary. Could the glass tape be left out too? I don't know the answer to that.

    Of course, a real dinghy needs thwarts, a belting, four knees and a centreboard case - maybe a skeg too? So I would say the job is only half done. Leaving out buoyancy chambers saves heaps of time, weight and surface area to finish. The cost of inflatable  buoyancy bags to stuff under the thwarts is about equal to the cost of inspection ports for plywood buoyancy tanks, so buoyancy bags is the way I would go.

    Not for the first time, I take my hat off to Slieve - who I now implore to draw up a quick rig. That's all it needs. The construction details are sufficient as they are.

    And I wouldn't add any extra beam - I'd leave it exactly as it is.

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  • 19 May 2021 11:06
    Reply # 10522698 on 10211344

    Thanks for you advice Graeme, er, I think????

    The original model has long gone, so maybe I will go hungry at breakfast time in the after life.

    On a more serious note, the boys are now some 10 years older and will probably be staying with us for a week during the summer holidays. They will still expect me to have ideas to entertain them, so I'm wondering if we should build the design again, but this time out of plywood. I took the dimensions from their model, but if building it 7 feet long I guess I would increase the beam by about 6" or 150mm at transom, centre frame and bow transom, to increase the load carrying ability. It's tempting, but there are other things to do as well in the holidays, and I already have an 8 foot Seahopper and 2 Avon Redcrests cluttering my garage. Just a thought.

    Cheers, Slieve.

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  • 19 May 2021 00:46
    Reply # 10521576 on 10211344
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    Referring to the portfolio of designs:

    John seems to have been the only entrant who has drawn on Chinese culture in his design. He says that his entry, Boxer, is based on two similar Chinese sampans recorded by Worcester in "The Junks and Sampans of the Yangtze" and for interest sake, for those who don't have a copy, here are the two I assume John was thinking of.

    (Sorry for the rough photography and distortion, didn’t have time to do a better job. I think the book can be downloaded from the JRA library).

    Fangtou (  or  ) literally means “square head”

     

    It is between 12’ and 18’ in length, propelled by yuloh (or sometimes a sprit sail) and (Howard will be interested to see) it features a false bow, incorporating a tiny floodable bow compartment.

    The other I assume to be this one:


    Yaolu Huazi (   or  划子) which Worcester somewhat puzzlingly translates as “Oar Boat”. Puzzling, because the first two characters (yaolu) mean “yuloh”, which is obviously its manner of propulsion. The second two characters chosen by Worcester (huazi) can be translated as “rowboat” since one of the meanings of "hua" is "to row" or "to paddle".

    This simple vessel is 23’ x 7’ and decked over, designed for cargo not passengers.


    The Chinese seem not to have bothered with boats as small as 8' - apart from the Wuhu Tub (which is small enough to meet at least that one of the JRA committee's requirements) - and which was literally a re-purposed wash tub.  Worcester has somewhat pedantically provided us with a full drawing, and a few paragraphs of information, including: that it could be anywhere between 3' and 8'6" and that its form of propulsion is hand-paddling.

    Fortunately there appears to be no sailing version.



    By the way, the Chinese made paper models too, but more elaborate than Slieve's and for a different purpose.

    Worcester tells us that this "spirit boat" was found in a shop specialising in paper models, made to be burned at funerals - destined for the use and pleasure of its far-sighted owner after arrival in the next world.

    Slieve - don't throw that model out! You might be able to continue enjoying the occasional sail and if by chance anything goes wrong during the transmigration, you might at least expect, for eternity, the benefit of cereal for breakfast.

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  • 17 May 2021 08:24
    Reply # 10515667 on 10211344

    Indeed, Graeme. If we're talking about a gallery of incomplete, unbuilt design concepts, then my Wuban of 30th March might well be included, alongside my later boxboat. They might please and suit some of the people some of the time. But for competition entries, I think there ought to be a level of completeness set as a requirement, which these don't meet.

  • 17 May 2021 03:00
    Reply # 10514520 on 10211344
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    The JRA seems to have more than its share of individual thinkers, from all parts of the world and with quite different sailing grounds. Perhaps this is the reason why this endeavour has produced such a remarkably diverse variety of results. Quite remarkable I think. Perhaps the true value is not in the "winning design" but in the diversity of ideas upon which future dinghy builders can draw. However, in order to compare and contrast, it is not an easy task by scrolling down a web page. They need to be printed out in order to savour.

    Given the success of the "competition" and the wealth of ideas arising, I am wondering if a gallery of design concepts, in the form of a supplement to the magazine, might be an appropriate suggestion. It would be nice to have on a bookshelf or magazine rack, to go back to from time to time, and might possibly have some enduring value as a reference. I have no idea what it would cost, or whether or not there are surplus funds to do it - or indeed if the Editor is not already over-worked just to produce the magazine. So I am not sure if it is an appropriate suggestion, but here it is anyway, for the committee to consider.


    PS and perhaps David might be prepared to also throw into the mix his mini-siblim concept - I would rather like to see the midship sections of this, alongside Arne's Halibut. Two five-planks is better than one.

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  • 16 May 2021 18:52
    Reply # 10513373 on 10211344
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    Arne's Halibut is now added and can be viewed in the same place.

    This is a great collection for the judging committee to look at, so I thank you all again! Just for the record, the RCC and Yachting Monthly ran a dinghy design competition in 2012, and got five entries, so I think we, or rather our participants, have done well.

    The judges report from that competition is attached to this post, kindly provided by John Pennefather, who entered an earlier version of his Boxer design in that competition.

    I will also try and export the .doc or .docx documents to .pdf, so they are more accessible, over the next couple of hours.

    The next committee meeting has been postponed to the beginning of June, so there will be little to report from us between now and then, but please take the opportunity to have a look through the entries and leave some comments.

    Best wishes,

    Mark

  • 16 May 2021 16:43
    Reply # 10512712 on 10211344
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    Ok, since it appears that others are entering with yet un-built boats, I accept to enter with my plans for ‘Halibut’ as well. However, I think the real competition should be between those who can show us a working vessel.

    As for my design, there has been much back and forth, with two sets of lines and three sailplans, not to mention ‘the appendages’  -  rudder and all sorts of boards.
    I therefore present the valid plans (..so far...) below.

    The lines plan shows Halibut being symmetric fore and aft of the central main frame (stn. 2), just like a shuttle ferry. I found no reason for not doing it like this, and the design and building will be faster this way. The way the curves along the panels run, also saves time when building. When plank no. 2 (bottom side) has been lofted and cut out, it can be used for scribing the lower edge of the topsides and for the side edges of the bottom plank. Only the sheer line has to be lofted in addition.

    As for the 3-panel “Halibut Special” JR, I am quite confident that this will work. After all, it is mainly a top section of a JR, which I am fairly familiar with. The whole idea with it is that the lowered sail bundle can be brailed up with the topping lifts and stowed flush with the mast. The rig can then be lowered for easy stowing  -  and easy rigging again.
    That sail has been made very small, to bring the mast length down to 2.5m. I would not be afraid of scaling this rig up to 3-4sqm with the same number of panels. If that mast is lengthened from 2.5 to 3.0m (20%) and the sail is also expanded accordingly, the sail area would end at 3.6sqm (the sail of the Optimist dinghy is 3.3sqm).

    Something like that...
    Arne

      

     

      


  • 16 May 2021 13:29
    Reply # 10511905 on 10211344
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    I'm happy to have my miniature NZscow added to the gallery, but as concept only, just to add to the variety. The idea might suit someone who needs a load-carrier. It can not be an entry, however, as I have no proper drawings. I'll revise the notes and send them to you.

    I'm glad to see that David's "san ban" (Sibim tender) included - and really, Arne's Halibut should be in it, including its innovative rig, which I think is one of the valuable outcomes of the "competition".

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