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Hartley TS16 project "Redwing ll"

  • 03 Mar 2021 09:33
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    The mast it seems is the easy bit. 80mm x 3mm Alloy tube. Though the nearest supplier only stocks 6m lengths and they don't do offcuts.

    Anyway I will have a bit of time to sort that as the boat is going to need some restorative work done including possibly a new cabin. Which shouldn't be too big a drama given what I had to do to Redwing to keep her viable. :)
  • 03 Mar 2021 09:21
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    Good, Gary, then you are spoilt for choice.
    Now, I find that making the sail is the easy bit. The big job is the rigging  of the mast and sail. I suggest you prepare for a new mast, yard and battens, while you are waiting for the boat to arrive. With mast and sail in hand, you are almost there.

    Good luck!

    Arne
  • 03 Mar 2021 08:30
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    Thank you Arne. Paul Thompson has offered to draw it up for me using his 45 degree panel method.

    You do write a good article. :)
  • 01 Mar 2021 22:34
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    Hi Gary.
    The sailplan for the Hartley TS-16, which I made in 2016, was a little un-finished, so now I rewrote it  and redrew the diagram in QCAD, and then added four individual sheets of diagrams. Sheet 2 and 3 have the essential numbers to loft the panels (if using the barrel panel method), and sheet 4 shows the positions and lengths of the batten pockets.

    Hopefully, these sheets will lower the threshold for bringing out the sewing machine.. Just follow Chapter 5 in TCPJR.

    Good luck!
    Arne


    Last modified: 02 Mar 2021 08:58 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 25 Feb 2021 09:40
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    If the BM rig is usable I plan to sail it while I prepare the JR, which I realised will give me the opportunity to compare the two rigs.

    I've discovered Roger Barnes on Youtube, wonderful stuff.
  • 15 Feb 2021 08:41
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    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.


    I'm game but you will have to walk me through the process. :)
    For sure.

    Where do we start? I can't buy the material till next month though.
    Last modified: 15 Feb 2021 10:31 | Anonymous member
  • 15 Feb 2021 08:31
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    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.


    I'm game but you will have to walk me through the process. :)
    For sure.
  • 15 Feb 2021 08:17
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    Reply # 10098261 on 10097049
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    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.


    I'm game but you will have to walk me through the process. :)
  • 15 Feb 2021 07:13
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    Reply # 10098049 on 10087530
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    Here's a low res image of the sail plan, which might help.

    The sail area is 16.7 sq m.

    Information taken from NZ Trailer Yacht Association website

    https://www.nztya.nz/designs-d-j.html

    the page is a bit untidy, -- select "Hartley Pg 3"

    or click here

    I am away from home at present but can get some better images later if you want.

    This used to be an iconic NZ design, most of them home built, but few people build anything these days and you don't see so many around now. It was one of the first trailer yachts around, and I think it was this design of Richard Hartley's which gave us the term "trailer sailer".

    Good luck with it.


    Last modified: 15 Feb 2021 07:24 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 15 Feb 2021 01:43
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    Reply # 10097049 on 10096134
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    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.
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