First trial with Blue Moon's new junk sail

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  • 28 Jun 2020 11:07
    Reply # 9065305 on 9063396
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    Graham hi I'm very interested that u have junk rigged a Top Hat as I've looked at this class of boat & always thought they would make a good sailing retirement cottage in my declining years now I'm 66 with a dicky knee.  and they are still a reasonable price in Australia too. So I'm interested in your conversion of Blue Moon Are u in NSW or Queensland? In the future I would like to catch up if possible as while I've read a lot about Junk rigged boats I've never sailed one or seen a conversion done. If this is possible I'll pass on my phone number if you want it. Regards Mark

  • 27 Jun 2020 10:38
    Reply # 9063629 on 9063396
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Graham,
    Congratulations with getting under sail again  -  and under a well-made one.

    You mention the setting of the lower panels. Could it be an idea to ease the stretch of the sail a bit along the lower battens? There is not that much room for adjustments of these barrel-cut sails, but I have found that if I ease the tension 2-5cm from fully taut, the panels will inflate better and produce a bit more camber. If not overdoing it, you will not end up with many extra wrinkles at the battens.

    Tabling contra boltrope only.
    The tablings that Paul has built into this sail, surely look good, and I bet they will hold well.
    However, when I started to make cambered sails, I was influenced by Vincent Reddish, who again adapted the Chinese way of doing it.

    To the Chinese, the structural parts of the JR is the mast, the yard, the battens and the boltrope. The very fragile sail material they used, either bamboo matting or the better cloth of cotton, had no structural strength in it, unlike in a gaff sail, and its only job was to collect the wind forces and deliver them to the battens and boltropes surrounding them.

    I have made quite a few cambered sails now, and none of them have had any patches or tablings on them, but they still perform and last well enough. The photo below was taken a couple of weeks ago, when sailing in a good F4. As can be seen, the lack of tablings does not result in a hooked leech or anything like that. Whether the boltrope is made from a rope or from webbing has proven to be irrelevant.

    Sooo, I think the Chinese knew what they were doing, and see no reason for changing my construction method.

    Cheers,
    Arne


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  • 27 Jun 2020 07:34
    Reply # 9063515 on 9063396

    Good work, Graham and Paul! This is a rig that I'd be happy to take across an ocean or two (though I know that's not the intention).

    Weaverbird's first JR sail was made from Clipper Canvas, at the same weight as Weathermax 80, and I didn't find it too heavy. I think it's OK to have heavy cloth, so long as it's soft.

    I think that this sail is easier to set than Arion's first sail because of the moderate yard angle. This is the thing that de-stresses a rig and makes it better for we sailors who are getting a bit long in the tooth. I recommend it when relaxed sailing is higher up the priority list than top windward performance. That's why Fanshi's sail is going to be of a similar shape.

    That's the way to make a seagoing luff and leech, too. Top marks, Paul! Takes time, but much, much better than just slapping on a bit of seatbelt webbing and calling it done...

    I can't see in the photos how the batten pockets were done, but this is an area where I would like to find an easy way to sew on the pockets a bit tight, lengthways, slightly gathering the sail panels along the seam (like the head of a curtain) to take out the excess length caused by the curved edge without going so far as putting in sewn tucks to make the panel into a 3D shape. That would do away with the horizontal creases. Without doing that, the battens need to be fastened into the sail a bit slack, and I prefer to eliminate the possibility of lengthways movement causing chafe in the long term.

  • 27 Jun 2020 04:58
    Message # 9063396

    I finally got Blue Moon out for my first sail with the new, cambered junk sail built for me by Paul Thompson using Arne's barrel-cut design.  The Weathermax 80 sail is 23 sq m.  Paul wanted to use Odyssey 111, but based on my experience with that material on Arion's first sail, I will never ship with that product again.  Paul cautioned me that Weathermax 80 might be too heavy for such a small sail, and perhaps he is right because in 5-10 knots of breeze the lower panels only inflate about 90%, leaving slight horizontal folds along the battens.  But the panels assume a beautiful cambered shape and I don't give a damn about a few wrinkles.  You only have to look at my clothes! 

    The wind was very light at first, about 5 knots, but the panels still assumed a good shape and the boat ghosted along at about 1.5 knots over a smooth sea.  Later the wind picked up to about 10 knots and we were close reaching at about 4 knots.  Close-hauled, the speed dropped to 3 knots.  This was very pleasing, as the sail area is on the conservative side.  The designed sail area for the bermudian rig is 27 sq m, but I could not fit that onto the existing mast.  The helm balance seemed fine and the Windpilot self-steering gear operated perfectly, though I could use a bigger rudder for broad reaching.  In operation, I'd say the amount of sail forward of the mast is no more than 20%, maybe a bit less. 

    It is interesting that the sail behaves very much like a flat-cut sail, unlike my experience with Arion's cambered sail.  it has textbook positive batten stagger and does not require Hong Kong parrels.  I just have one luff-hauling parrel. I suspect the weight of the material has something to do with this, but mostly I believe it is a result of the very heavy tabling at luff and leach that Paul uses.  The leach tabling is about 300mm wide with five rows of vertical stitching, while the luff tabling is 250mm wide with four rows.  The tabling makes each panel behave as if it is flat-cut.  Arion's Odyssey sail had a 50mm webbing strap up the leach and very little in the way of reinforcing at the luff, so that they were both very soft, and stretched easily.  That sail had outrageous negative batten stagger until I fitted fixed 'Paul Fay style' luff parrels on each batten.  But I don't really know, I am no engineer.  Monkey see monkey do is my modus operandi.  All I know is that this new cambered sail works.

    I am delighted with the result.  I stand my my opinion that cambered sails don't have as much to offer heavy, beamy hulls when hard on the wind in the open sea.  After all, Arion originally had a towering bermudian sloop rig with fully-battened mainsail, and it still sailed very sedately to windward when the sea was up.  I am sure, though, the camber helped drive the boat better when reaching.  I chose to go back to the simplicity of a flat-cut sail when I replaced Arion's cambered sail, though that was largely because I could not find a local sailmaker who understood the methodology, and I decided it would be good enough.  It was, but Blue Moon's cambered sail works so well that I'd be happy enough to choose such a sail whatever the boat.

    Thanks Paul for a great sail and your very generous discount.

    Here are a couple of photos of the new sail.  You can see the details of Paul's meticulous workmanship and the heavy leach tabling.  The photos are not brilliant as the sun was always on the wrong side of the sail and it was hard to get far enough away on such a small deck!  You can click on the photos to view full size.


    PS:  I meant to say that Blue Moon has a performance-oriented hull, based on the English ocean racers of the 1950s.  Designed by John Illingworth, and probably with hull lines influenced by Angus Primrose, the Top Hat 25 was created for the Junior Offshore Group racing fleet in the early 1960s.  I knew it would respond well to a high performance sail.  The boat's performance potential and sail area is similar to Jester's, which leads me back to a thought I have often had.  If Jester had had a larger, cambered sail in 1960, it may well have won the inaugural OSTAR.  As it was, Blondie came in only 8 days after Chichester, who was sailling the 12m bermudian-rigged Gypsy Moth 111.  If Blue Moon had a 30 sq m cambered junk sail, it would be a rocketship!

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