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S2 6.7 Junk Rig Conversion

  • 14 Apr 2020 14:34
    Reply # 8897866 on 6872873

    Thank you David Th. and David T. I hope you are both doing well during these unprecedented times.

    Your two comments read like echos of my own thoughts. First I would convince myself that wood soaked in epoxy and filled with stainless steel might actually be stronger than it was before. Then shortly after I would remind myself that my boat is not Speedwell of Hong Kong or Oryx so I can probably use lighter hardware.

    I will look for 3/8" threaded SS rod first. If for some reason 1/2" is easier to find then I will use 1/2".

    Thanks again.

  • 14 Apr 2020 07:37
    Reply # 8897425 on 6872873

    Pete was making tabernacles for larger, heavier, stiffer, ocean-going boats. I wouldn't use more than 3/8" studding on a 22ft boat intended for lake sailing. If set in epoxy, with large washers under the nuts, there can be no doubt about the overall strength of the assembly.

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  • 14 Apr 2020 06:49
    Reply # 8897394 on 8896559
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    Scott wrote:

    I am concerned about drilling 1/2" holes in four different places on the sides of the tabernacle. The boards I used are 2" dimensional lumber which is 1.5" actual thickness.

    I am trying to decide if drilling out a third of the thickness will significantly weaken the structure.

    Does anyone have an opinion to share?

    I think it will be just fine because you are gluing the bolts in with I imagine epoxy. So long as you get a good bond, the bolts, (threaded rod), will just become part of the timber. But this would be a good occasion to adhere to all working with epoxy rules.
  • 13 Apr 2020 19:35
    Reply # 8896559 on 6872873

    I have started thinking more about tabernacle details. I am following, as much as I am able, what Pete Hill wrote in JRA Magazine issue 61.

    The only concern I have right now thinking through the build is the size of the threaded rod that I will need to glue into the sides of the tabernacle.

    Pete recommended 12mm threaded rod for a sail approximately the size of mine. This works out to just about 1/2" in the freedom units we use here.

    I am concerned about drilling 1/2" holes in four different places on the sides of the tabernacle. The boards I used are 2" dimensional lumber which is 1.5" actual thickness.

    I am trying to decide if drilling out a third of the thickness will significantly weaken the structure.

    Does anyone have an opinion to share?

  • 03 Apr 2020 22:54
    Reply # 8878063 on 6872873

    I am still not sure why the sign at the store says '0.703" actual' if the nominal is 18mm (0.709") for this plywood. It seems like the 'actual' on the sign would be the nominal value.

    There are clearly bigger problems in the world right now.

    Evaluating risk of normal activities has become complex. For now, since our Governor has ordered everyone to 'Stay Home, Stay Safe' I am going to avoid going over to the boat storage.

    I will be working on cutting and shaping plywood for the mast partners here at home today. I am not sure what I am going to do when I eventually need a tool that I left on the boat.

    But yet the supplier for my mast, on the other side of the Lake Michigan, in Wisconsin, sent me an email. They claim to be able to keep up with any existing or new orders as normal. They gave me an expected ship date that is just about a week earlier than what I expected.

    Daily life is paradoxical right now.

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  • 23 Mar 2020 14:05
    Reply # 8849569 on 6872873

    Even high quality sanded plywood can have a tolerance of +/- 0.2mm to 0.4mm (or 0.008" to 0.016") and your plywood is well within that, at only 0.006" from the nominal thickness.

  • 23 Mar 2020 13:37
    Reply # 8849548 on 6872873

    Thanks, David. I read a few of your other responses again. I think I now understand what you are recommending regarding thick disks bonded around the tabernacle.

    I would expect 18mm plywood to be 0.709" actual thickness (0.708661").

    Is 18mm plywood actually a little less than 18mm thick?

  • 23 Mar 2020 08:12
    Reply # 8849306 on 6872873

    What you have is 18mm plywood, Scott! [25.4mm = 1 inch] It's good to see N America taking steps to catch up with the rest of the world ;-)

    I don't think you need another piece of the same, across the entire hatch aperture. You have joined to the GRP deck satisfactorily, and further thickness won't add further strength at this point. Discs of plywood to build up thickness where the mast bears against the partners are what you need now.

  • 22 Mar 2020 18:20
    Reply # 8848358 on 6872873

    I have one layer of 23/32 CAT (0.703" actual thickness) dry fitted with bolts where the fore-hatch was previously located. Was it not confusing enough to sell plywood in fractional inches? Now we use a strange fraction like 23/32 and even that is only an approximation of the actual thickness? I think someone is trying to make this intentionally difficult.

    Anyway for my mental accounting I am considering this one 3/4" layer above deck for the partners. I have twelve 1/4" stainless steel bolts as mechanical fasteners. I imagine they are 304 SS. Six of them run through the deck and new plywood core. The other six are through the new plywood only. I plan to use plenty of thickened epoxy to fill in any gaps in this entire assembly. I plan to add one more layer of approximately 3/4" plywood and call it done.

    It did not come together exactly as I wanted but I am convinced that it will be strong.

    I would greatly appreciate a review of this description and the attached photos. If possible, please let me know if you see anything that looks 'wrong' enough that you would not personally trust it.

    One of the photos was taken through the plastic sheeting that I am using to keep the mess from my boat off of other people's boats in storage. Please excuse the blurry image.

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  • 09 Mar 2020 20:56
    Reply # 8815690 on 6872873

    I suppose my wording was not precise. I will look for 38mm x 34mm tube locally. Thank you.

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