S2 6.7 Junk Rig Conversion

  • 13 May 2021 14:55
    Reply # 10478069 on 10475954
    Karl wrote:

    Hi Scott,

    I like reading your thread and the rigging of your boat interests me quite a bit. As I am in my 4th year sailing my litte boat I am thinking more of renewing my sail to a cambered one and also of having a new yard beam and battons. That is why I askred Arne about the padding of the yard. Thanks Arne and I will let you all know my progress in my own thread.

    Karl

    I am glad someone is reading! Sometimes I feel like I am talking to myself when no one responds to some of my rambling (or complaining). 

    As long as the discussion is still about sailboats I, personally, do not mind if the conversation in 'my thread' gets off topic with other people discussing things.

    I looked through the photos of your current boat and sail. Both look very well done. Do you have any videos of the boat making sail, sailing, and reefing?

    Last modified: 13 May 2021 14:56 | Anonymous member
  • 13 May 2021 07:16
    Reply # 10475954 on 6872873

    Hi Scott,

    I like reading your thread and the rigging of your boat interests me quite a bit. As I am in my 4th year sailing my litte boat I am thinking more of renewing my sail to a cambered one and also of having a new yard beam and battons. That is why I askred Arne about the padding of the yard. Thanks Arne and I will let you all know my progress in my own thread.

    Karl


  • 12 May 2021 20:52
    Reply # 10474583 on 10473553
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    Anonymous wrote:
    David,

    I am attempting to rig the sheets with an even more stingy method than the Ronstan Shocks. I bought a quantity of plastic rope thimbles. With some sanding and maybe some McLube Sailkote I hope to use this plastic eyes as 'blocks' to connect the mainsheet to the sheetlets.

    It astounds me that you were able to build and rig an entire boat in much less time than my still unfinished conversion. How do you like your new boat. I think it is an ECO 55, is that right?

    The little plastic thimbles could work. You would need to lash two together for each sheetlet, pointed ends in, as they need to be able to move on both the sheetlets and the main sheet. If the plastic is smooth and shiny you may not need any lubricant.

    Actually it astounds me that I was able to build my boat so quickly! I don't know where I got all the energy from, but I think it was all about momentum, once the project got started and wound up I just wanted to get it finished, plus there was the added motivation of not having a boat for the upcoming summer.

    My boat is the Eco 6. I am enjoying the boat a lot. It is a big step to go from 10 meter boats with all their comfort down to only 6 meters, But the Eco 6 has a huge interior for it's length. So far the boat is doing all the things I wanted: easy to handle and sail with good performance, shallow draft, able to put on the beach for maintenance, relatively low cost, great big cockpit. I have a big coastal cruise planned for next summer of some weeks duration. After that I will decide if I keep the boat, or go for something larger. The trouble is, that as Annie found, the only way to really get the boat you want is to build it, and I don't know if I can be bothered doing it again. But, I would still like a junk rig catamaran .........

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  • 12 May 2021 17:50
    Reply # 10473722 on 10459113
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Karl Aigner wrote:

    Hi Arne, I have read your mast and boom construction with great interest and because I have 2 long alu tubes left from which I want to make a yard and boom like you did I have one question: Why did you pad them with PVC , for appearance reason or has it any special function ?



    Karl, I padded the yard (and boom) partly to avoid metal to metal noise and partly because I don't think aluminium should rub on aluminium (or any other metal). The forward batten pockets on the four last junk-sails have also been from PVC. 

    Since I don't sail across oceans, I don't have to worry about battens tapping on the mast in the no-wind-plus-old-swell situations, but still. Actually, I think it would be a good idea to make the forward batten pockets a bit oversize and then wrap the battens with an old carpet or something to improve the total padding at the mast.

    Clear as mud, right?

    Arne

    PS: I very rarely add details to my rigs for appearance reasons 

    ☺...

    Last modified: 12 May 2021 17:58 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 12 May 2021 17:07
    Reply # 10473553 on 10456773
    David wrote:

    [...] you can cobble together most of the running rigging requirements out if just about whatever comes to hand, at least on a temporary basis.. And you can save a lot of money by using alternatives to conventional blocks. For example on my little catamaran I have substituted many of the blocks for low friction rings, and sheaveless blocks produced by Ronstan which they call 'Shocks'. They seem to work very well, are inexpensive, and if I was doing a small junk rig I would use these for a lot of the applications. For example the Shocks seem a logical choice to use on the sheetlets/mainsheet connection.

    David,

    There has definitely been some cobbling happening on my boat. I am enjoying being at the stage where it is all finally just sticks and strings. Making the knots to hold it all together is fun. It would be more fun if the weather was a little warmer. Climbing around with cold fingers above 40 degree water is not something I want to do forever.

    I am attempting to rig the sheets with an even more stingy method than the Ronstan Shocks. I bought a quantity of plastic rope thimbles. With some sanding and maybe some McLube Sailkote I hope to use these plastic eyes as 'blocks' to connect the mainsheet to the sheetlets.

    It astounds me that you were able to build and rig an entire boat in much less time than my still unfinished conversion. How do you like your new boat. I think it is an ECO 55, is that right?

    Last modified: 13 May 2021 14:27 | Anonymous member
  • 12 May 2021 16:59
    Reply # 10473514 on 10456886
    Arne wrote:

    On the last two boats I have just lashed the halyard blocks to the yard. To make sure it would not slide, I added a couple of strips of non-slip tape.
    See how I did it on my Ingeborg, in 2015 (page 12). It still stays put...

    Hi Arne,

    All of your most recent writeups have been very helpful. I have screenshots from your 'Fixes, adjustments and improvements on Ingeborg' saved on my phone for quick reference.

    I also finally got my head wrapped around what you described in 'Peaking up the junk sail, ver 20111214b'. Moving the YHP further up the yard and rigging the LHP as a THP (Throat Hauling Parrel) seems like a good idea. I think I understand how this will provide better leverage to peak up the yard.

    I am attempting to rig my sail as you described in your write ups, including lashing the halyard block to the yard.

    Last modified: 12 May 2021 17:48 | Anonymous member
  • 10 May 2021 07:14
    Reply # 10459113 on 6872873

    Hi Arne, I have read your mast and boom construction with great interest and because I have 2 long alu tubes left from which I want to make a yard and boom like you did I have one question: Why did you pad them with PVC , for appearance reason or has it any special function ?

  • 09 May 2021 10:36
    Reply # 10456886 on 6872873
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    On the last two boats I have just lashed the halyard blocks to the yard. To make sure it would not slide, I added a couple of strips of non-slip tape.
    See how I did it on my Ingeborg, in 2015 (page 12). It still stays put...

    Arne

  • 09 May 2021 10:11
    Reply # 10456773 on 10455930
    Deleted user
    Scott wrote:

    Doing everything I can to get sailing again. Still need a better sling point attachment. And a luff hauling parrel. And sheets. And sheetlets. And ... 

    Well, you are making good forward progress . The Halyard, (sling attachment), can just be a lashing around the yard with a substantial saddle on the underside of the yard to locate it and stop it slipping forward. Better though to have a split lashing to spread the load. Regarding your other control lines The good thing about a small junk rig yacht is that you can cobble together most of the running rigging requirements out if just about whatever comes to hand, at least on a temporary basis.. And you can save a lot of money by using alternatives to conventional blocks. For example on my little catamaran I have substituted many of the blocks for low friction rings, and sheaveless blocks produced by Ronstan which they call 'Shocks'. They seem to work very well, are inexpensive, and if I was doing a small junk rig I would use these for a lot of the applications. For example the Shocks seem a logical choice to use on the sheetlets/mainsheet connection.

  • 09 May 2021 00:46
    Reply # 10455930 on 6872873

    Doing everything I can to get sailing again. Still need a better sling point attachment. And a luff hauling parrel. And sheets. And sheetlets. And ... 

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