Is the junk-rig faster in the tacks, single-handed?

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  • 29 Jan 2016 13:49
    Reply # 3789029 on 3417084

    Instant tacking with no hands (sort of) on my Coromandel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScnZxiHsnKg
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  • 29 Jan 2016 04:31
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    Gary Pick wrote:

    I found on my last sail which started to windward into a choppy sea that Redwing just did not want to tack. Possible reasons are that I was pinching the wind a bit to tight and therefore not get enough speed up to carry me through to the other tack. The other possibility is  she was sheeted in too hard. I have found in the past that she will not answer the helm with the sail sheeted in too far. Of course it may have been a combo of both.

    I am still thinking of fitting a deeper rudder next haulout.

    It's the chop, always a tack wrecker. Notice you never miss a tack on flat water?
  • 29 Jan 2016 03:32
    Reply # 3788493 on 3417084

    I found on my last sail which started to windward into a choppy sea that Redwing just did not want to tack. Possible reasons are that I was pinching the wind a bit to tight and therefore not get enough speed up to carry me through to the other tack. The other possibility is  she was sheeted in too hard. I have found in the past that she will not answer the helm with the sail sheeted in too far. Of course it may have been a combo of both.

    I am still thinking of fitting a deeper rudder next haulout.

  • 03 Jul 2015 08:44
    Reply # 3417561 on 3417084
    Short answer: yes.

    I can tack with a cup of tea in my other hand.

    Or with my foot or knees.

    I often do it no-handed.

  • 02 Jul 2015 23:59
    Reply # 3417299 on 3417084

    One of the great joys of junk rig is short-tacking in flat water into an anchorage or bay.  The wind is often variable, as it bounces off the hills, and sometimes you gain and sometimes you lose, but it doesn't matter.  You just tack, tack and tack again, effortlessly, admiring the view, enjoying the serenity.  Arion has a single cambered sail and I agree with all David says about it.  It is slow out of stays, but once it settles in it picks up nicely and is close-winded.  I have also found my cambered sail to be a terrific ghoster in light winds and flat water.  The boat just keeps on slipping along at a knot or so, even when you can barely feel the wind on your face, and yet still answers the helm and tacks nicely.  I have a few friends with bermudian-rigged boats who are very keen sailors, who hardly ever start their engines, sailing on and off their anchors, but it is rare, and they have to work a lot harder too.  This is one of the great joys of junk sailing for me. 

    It is a different story in the open sea on Arion, as the boat is short and heavy.  One has to sail the boat carefully through stays then, picking a smooth patch, and the boat takes even longer to get back in the groove, but then one does not tack that often out there, usually.  I'd like to try sailing on a more weatherly junk one day, a boat like Arne's or Ketil's, but I like Arion's bullet-proof steel hull when I am offshore.  On the rare occasion that I have been headed in open water when there are restrictions forcing me to short-tack, I usually motor-sail these days.  Under bermudian rig, I sailed for 10 years without an inboard engine and was forced to sail the boat everywhere in the open sea.  Sometimes my hands would be red from hauling sheets and the air blue from swearing, and occasionally I'd fail to reach my objective.  Having done my penance, I am now happy to shamelessly motor-sail when it makes life easier and pleasanter.  One of the great joys of sailing a junk-rigged yacht in sheltered waters, as I am mostly doing at the moment, is that you seldom have to.

  • 02 Jul 2015 20:58
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    Iain Grigor wrote:

    Can someone venture an opinion on the following?  On a single-handed basis, a bermudan rigged boat is often (always) a pain to tack.  It occurs to me that, on a single-handed basis, a camber-panel junk-rigged boat should be much faster through the tacks than a single-handed bermudan-rigged boat with a big genoa (or, even worse, the two headsails of a cutter).  Is that theory sustained in practice?


    Once you have sailed a junk rigged boat, or any other cat rigged boat, you will wonder why anyone would want to sail a Bermudan rigged yacht with headsails to be sheeted in every time you tack. One of the joys of the junk rig is that to tack one simply puts the helm down, the boat comes around onto the new tack and off you go, no sails to sheet in, sailing at its easiest. Another joy of sailing on a (single sail) junk rig is that when going down wind you do not need to worry about that flapping headsail which you can never get trimmed right or is being constantly blanketed by the mainsail on a bermudan rigged yacht. Instead the junk sail is an efficient, effective down wind sail. For the past 8 years I have sailed only cat rigged boats, mostly junk rigged, and I have no wish to go back to the complications and difficulties of sail handling on a traditional Bermudan rigged yacht.

    In your query you talked about a junk rigged yacht being 'faster' through the tacks that a Bermudan rigged boat. 'Faster' is probably the wrong way to describe it, much easier would be a better description. A flat sail, single sail junk rigged boat will often be very slow through tacks and sometimes may not tack at all, (in my experience), but with my camber panel sail Footprints will always tack but I have noticed that acceleration out of a tack can be quite slow, so therefore a Bermudan rigged boat will be 'faster' to tack, but so much more work. For single handed sailing it does not get any easier than a junk rigged yacht.

    Last modified: 02 Jul 2015 21:01 | Deleted user
  • 02 Jul 2015 19:25
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    Can someone venture an opinion on the following?  On a single-handed basis, a bermudan rigged boat is often (always) a pain to tack.  It occurs to me that, on a single-handed basis, a camber-panel junk-rigged boat should be much faster through the tacks than a single-handed bermudan-rigged boat with a big genoa (or, even worse, the two headsails of a cutter).  Is that theory sustained in practice?

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