Galley alcohol, gas, diesel and induction cookers/ovens

  • 26 Mar 2017 23:18
    Reply # 4691427 on 4690653
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Jim Creighton wrote:

    Another source for this stove:

    http://stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=216

    It's a "Butterfly" stove. Made in India, I believe.


    This looks like a copy of an early version of a Primus stove. I have used these. It lacks two functions which newer  versions have:
    • A needle valve just below the burner. This valve is not only good for adjusting the heat (releaving pressure on the tank also works well on that), but also saves you a lot of pumping each time it is to be lit again. One simply shuts off the burner with that valve and keep the pressure in the tank, ready for next start-up (some tanks even have a manometer).
    • The other thing is that there is no internal cleaning needle on the shown stove.   The internal needle pushes any deposit out through the jet (nozzle?). This use to be operated by turning this (missing ) valve backwards. Instead you have to use an external cleaning needle which pushes the dirt back into the burner, so it is likely to come back and block the jet soon...

    Arne

  • 26 Mar 2017 22:52
    Reply # 4691387 on 4690652
    Jim Creighton wrote:

    Ha anyone had any experience with these kerosene stoves:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AYA2I50?psc=1

    It has been adapted for a swing stove. Sure a two burner setup for a typical gallley stove is possible?


    This type of stove was once common on small boats and in third world kitchens everywhere.  I have not used this particular unit but am familiar with the type and really like it for voyaging, though I have heard that it is becoming difficult to source kerosene in some areas.  The quality of the unit, and particularly of the burner, can vary widely, with some rusting out quickly, but a good one will last a long time.  I think this unit from India has been used by James Baldwin of Atom Voyages (he has a design for gimballing it on his website) and he speaks highly of its quality.  It is about the only fuel where you could conveniently and safely carry a six month supply.
  • 26 Mar 2017 21:19
    Reply # 4691313 on 4690617
    David Tyler wrote:

    Is it worth considering the multi-fuel camping stoves that have been widely used during long-term and high-altitude camping for many years? There are some branded models, but this one, made in China, seems to be widely available at reasonable cost. They all claim to run on butane, white gas (pure petrol/gasoline) kerosene and sometimes diesel, with jets of different diameters being interchanged. I wonder whether they will also run on alcohol, if they will run on something as volatile as white gas? The burner would obviously have to be built into some kind of cooker body, and the tank would have to be secured.

    [edit] There are some backpackers' fora eg 

    http://classiccampstoves.com/threads/brs-8a-multi-fuel.16553/

    that report;

    • These cheap BRS Chinese-made stoves are low quality, but good enough to see whether you like a multifuel stove, before investing in an MSR, Optimus or Primus.
    • They do not burn well on kerosene or diesel
    • They will not work with alcohol
    • But a mix of alcohol and kerosene works well.
    • Apparently Coleman fuel/white gas is pure naphtha, and panel wipe, used by car bodyshops, is also naphtha, much cheaper and the same price as meths.
    • They are a roarer burner, very fast and very noisy.
    David 

    The multi fuel stove is what I was referring to when I suggested Trangia.  As it happens Blacks have an offer on the Primus multi fuel stove (£135).... so I've bought one.  It needs mounting somehow, but based on your pot idea I think I can make something work.  The attractive bit for me was the option to use many fuel types.  Of course this may mean that its useless for all fuel types.  Having said that, these seem to have been tested at various altitudes and in various conditions.  So I trial one burner and see how I get on.

    Peter

  • 26 Mar 2017 11:19
    Reply # 4690653 on 1195343

    Another source for this stove:

    http://stpaulmercantile.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=216

    It's a "Butterfly" stove. Made in India, I believe.

  • 26 Mar 2017 11:14
    Reply # 4690652 on 1195343

    Ha anyone had any experience with these kerosene stoves:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AYA2I50?psc=1

    It has been adapted for a swing stove. Sure a two burner setup for a typical gallley stove is possible?

  • 26 Mar 2017 09:09
    Reply # 4690617 on 1195343

    Is it worth considering the multi-fuel camping stoves that have been widely used during long-term and high-altitude camping for many years? There are some branded models, but this one, made in China, seems to be widely available at reasonable cost. They all claim to run on butane, white gas (pure petrol/gasoline) kerosene and sometimes diesel, with jets of different diameters being interchanged. I wonder whether they will also run on alcohol, if they will run on something as volatile as white gas? The burner would obviously have to be built into some kind of cooker body, and the tank would have to be secured.

    [edit] There are some backpackers' fora eg 

    http://classiccampstoves.com/threads/brs-8a-multi-fuel.16553/

    that report;

    • These cheap BRS Chinese-made stoves are low quality, but good enough to see whether you like a multifuel stove, before investing in an MSR, Optimus or Primus.
    • They do not burn well on kerosene or diesel
    • They will not work with alcohol
    • But a mix of alcohol and kerosene works well.
    • Apparently Coleman fuel/white gas is pure naphtha, and panel wipe, used by car bodyshops, is also naphtha, much cheaper and the same price as meths.
    • They are a roarer burner, very fast and very noisy.
    Last modified: 26 Mar 2017 13:09 | Anonymous member
  • 26 Mar 2017 09:00
    Reply # 4690598 on 1195343
    Deleted user

    I cannot copy Annie's last post on this because I am working on my phone. I am still a strong advocate of LPG cookers for simplicity, instant hot flame, and the bottles last a very long time. However filling bottles is becoming an issue unless you use the standard 9.5 kg bottle because in New Zealand the move is now to swap a bottle which is very readily available but only for the large 9.5kg bottles. There are only two places in my local area where I can get my 4kg bottles filled, and both are a long way from the water. But unless there are good easy to use meth or kero stoves available which prove reliable in the long term, and the fuel is a reasonable cost, the LPG is the choice of cooking fuel for me.

    Last modified: 26 Mar 2017 09:01 | Deleted user
  • 26 Mar 2017 07:49
    Reply # 4690552 on 1195343
    Back to Kero?

    I see, (on t'other thread) that Peter is thinking Taylor's 028.  I was having a debate last night on the various cookers and fuel, specifically as applying to my circumstances in this country.

    Gas: so convenient, nice quality cookers; an absolute pain to swop or fill the bottles, unless you have very frequent access to a car, but dirt cheap to run (apart from having to own the car).

    Meths: convenient, relatively fast, if pressurised.  Medium-fast with cookers that disintegrate on you with Maxie.  Otherwise slow with cookers that are not very seamanlike for a monohull; you can buy the fuel in any corner store (at a price).

    Kero: inconvenient, fast; expensive cookers that need a work-over before you can live with them happily (ie take the cast-iron top to a founder and ask them please to use it as a pattern and make it out of bronze so you don't have rust falling off all the time); makes you and boat smell, sullies the deckhead; you can buy the fuel in any corner store (at a price).

    The running costs of the cooker should also be taken into account, but it's already too much of a dilemma.  I've got an old pressure meths cooker: but the parts are irreplaceable.  I could buy an Origo but while 50% love them 50% can't tolerate them.  I lived with kero for years and get on with it OK.  I loved the wee gas cooker that was originally on Fantail, but the issue of the cylinders was beyond a joke.  In the not too distant future I shall have to make a decision because I will be building my galley!


  • 25 Mar 2017 17:20
    Reply # 4689880 on 1195343

    You can buy a Trangia-type burner quite cheaply on eBay. I have this one - it's good enough for one or two nights out in a bivouac in the Scottish highlands, but I wouldn't want to use it aboard. It will hold 50ml of alcohol, enough for one short cooking session, and its hit-and-miss controllability is acceptable when boiling a kettle or doing a rapid camping meal, but for real cooking? Not really. I think there has to be a tank, either integral or remote, that will hold 1/2 or 1 litre, and there has to be true simmering capability.

  • 25 Mar 2017 16:38
    Reply # 4689823 on 1195343

    Has anyone tried to make something from Trangia parts? 

    I'm starting to think that the multi fuel burner may have potential. Unfortunately they are not cheap but two burners could be picked up for half the price of a Taylors.

    Peter



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