Galley alcohol, gas and diesel cookers/ovens

  • 30 Mar 2017 11:02
    Reply # 4702052 on 4701936
    Annie Hill wrote:
    Graham Cox wrote:

     perhaps a genius like David Tyler can invent an efficient alcohol one and we can fit a large, separate storage tank, so we can stock up with alcohol in places where the costs are reasonable.

    Go for it, David.  (If you have plenty of solar power, you could always distill your own alcohol.  Stills are readily available in NZ.)
    The difficult is that which can be done immediately, the impossible that which takes a little longer.
  • 30 Mar 2017 10:58
    Reply # 4702037 on 4701308
    Graham Cox wrote:

     I have used simmer pads, to reduce the heat, though where you would find one these days I don't know.  

    Just buy a disc of 3mm thick stainless steel sheet like this


  • 30 Mar 2017 09:08
    Reply # 4701936 on 4697887
    Graham Cox wrote:

     perhaps a genius like David Tyler can invent an efficient alcohol one and we can fit a large, separate storage tank, so we can stock up with alcohol in places where the costs are reasonable.

    Go for it, David.  (If you have plenty of solar power, you could always distill your own alcohol.  Stills are readily available in NZ.)
  • 30 Mar 2017 09:06
    Reply # 4701935 on 4701308
    Graham Cox wrote:

    Another challenge with kerosene stoves is when you want to simmer food.  Turning the burner down low for long periods often allows it to get too cool, resulting in a sudden flare up of liquid burning kerosene.  Besides the fire hazard, it leaves an oily soot on the deckhead that is almost impossible to clean up.  Taylors kero stoves had a cast iron top, with inserts to place over the burners, so you could simmer without turning the flame down too far, but I have never seen another stove like that and have heard of one instance when the burner had a meltdown.  I have used simmer pads, to reduce the heat, though where you would find one these days I don't know. 

    They are still available, Graham!  Good, too, although they are steel, so you need to keep them away from sea water.
  • 30 Mar 2017 09:03
    Reply # 4701934 on 4697872
    peter johnson wrote:thoughts on kerosene, try to by the best quality you can and if storing on a boat a small storage tank is goodwith a bit of flexable hose and a shut off tap makes filling easier also put a fuel filter in the line it makes a huge differance
    There's the rub.  The stuff they sell in NZ seems pretty good, but I've bought some dreadful stuff in my time.  Most voyaging boats carry lots so that they can stock up when they find stuff that is both good quality and affordable: an increasingly rare state of affairs.

    The best system I ever used was to have a little pump led directly into a 20l container, with a filter leading up to the pump.  Just pump what you need directly into a lamp, or into a jug for filling the cooker.  A bowl to catch spills is good, too.


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  • 29 Mar 2017 23:40
    Reply # 4701308 on 1195343

    Another challenge with kerosene stoves is when you want to simmer food.  Turning the burner down low for long periods often allows it to get too cool, resulting in a sudden flare up of liquid burning kerosene.  Besides the fire hazard, it leaves an oily soot on the deckhead that is almost impossible to clean up.  Taylors kero stoves had a cast iron top, with inserts to place over the burners, so you could simmer without turning the flame down too far, but I have never seen another stove like that and have heard of one instance when the burner had a meltdown.  I have used simmer pads, to reduce the heat, though where you would find one these days I don't know.  It used to be the fuel of choice for many long-distance voyagers because it was cheap and readily available anywhere, but as David Tyler says, times have changed.  Even Eric and Susan Hiscock changed to gas in the 70s, after finding it impossible to obtain clean kerosene in the Pacific.  I'm nervous about the explosive risks of gas but always go up on deck and turn my gas bottle off, then let the gas burn out the lines before switching off at the stove.  I also have proper solenoid switches and an emergency gas valve to cut off the fuel.

  • 29 Mar 2017 12:31
    Reply # 4697887 on 1195343

    I've got a Broadwater gas stove with cast stainless burners.  It is 20 years old, and has never needed any replacement parts.  If I had grandchildren they could still be using it in their old age.  Indestructible, and it burns clean and hot.  Though refilling bottles can be a challenge in remote Pacific islands, especially French ones.  Alcohol stoves are also clean and easy to use, though they don't burn as hot, and the fuel is still prohibitively expensive in many places, even big cities like Suva, capital of Fiji.  I agree that kero can be messy and finicky unless the fuel is spotlessly clean, which is also becoming an issue in third world countries.  Boat stoves for long distance cruising have become a vexed issue, but then, come to think of it, so has long-distance cruising, with visa requirements, advance notification regulations, excessive admin fees for clearing into places like Australia etc.  There is no perfect commercial stove but perhaps a genius like David Tyler can invent an efficient alcohol one and we can fit a large, separate storage tank, so we can stock up with alcohol in places where the costs are reasonable.

  • 29 Mar 2017 12:27
    Reply # 4697872 on 4694925
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    Annie Hill wrote:You must have really good quality kerosene in Norway, Arne.  When I cooked regularly on kerosene, I was paranoid about using the pricker, and in fact I took the jet out once a week and cleaned it manually.  Quite often the pricker would jam in the jet and then, when you tried to wind it back down, it would break off.  If you could get the needle part out again, you could still use the jet, but at NZ$13 (latest price) per pricker and jet, you get a bit cautious about replacing them!  I used to take a pride in the fact that I could get 18 months out of a burner, and would hope to use no more than two jets or prickers per burner per year.  Fourteen years out of one burner is amazing!
    thoughts on kerosene, try to by the best quality you can and if storing on a boat a small storage tank is goodwith a bit of flexable hose and a shut off tap makes filling easier also put a fuel filter in the line it makes a huge differance
  • 29 Mar 2017 09:16
    Reply # 4697540 on 4697377
    Annie Hill wrote:
    Arne Kverneland wrote:My guess is that pricking the jet just before shutting down, with the burner still hot, was less hard on the needle.

    That could well be so.  It wasn't something that ever occurred to me.

    On the other hand, I was less lucky with the burner in Johanna’s Taylor heater. That one also had an Optimus burner, but not of the same model as those in the Optimus 155 stove, so regular attention was needed.  Frankly, that burner could be a real pain.

    One of the things that you learn, when you cook with kerosene, is that you are dealing with something that has personality.  Nearly always there is a 'good' and a 'not so good' burner and you find yourself lighting the good one first and using it for preference.  Then, one day when you have two burners going, you discover that they have swopped roles for no apparent reason and start using the other one for preference until it happens again.  It all adds variety to life.
    Harrumph. Cooking with kerosene is better than cooking on a coal-fired range - but only just, IMHO.

    Luckily, the world is moving on, and we have better choices of cooking fuels in the normally-gaseous hydrocarbons, or alkanes - methane, propane, butane - or the liquid hydrocarbons near the top end of the fractions that come from distilling crude oil - pentane, hexane, heptane - that are the constituents of naphtha(white gas). Petrol/gasoline is mostly composed of the alkanes heptane, octane, nonane and decane. We no longer have to go down to the heavier fractions from decane onwards (the lighter end of kerosene). Generally, the more carbon atoms in the alkane molecule, the harder it is to get it to burn easily and cleanly, which is the thing that ought to concern us when we're cooking aboard a boat. Moving across to the alkyls or alcohols, only methanol and ethanol are of any interest as fuels, but they are of just as much interest as the alkanes. I would say they are of more interest now, as we humans try to move away from petrochemicals and towards fuels that can be derived from renewable biomass.
  • 29 Mar 2017 08:01
    Reply # 4697377 on 4695092
    Arne Kverneland wrote:My guess is that pricking the jet just before shutting down, with the burner still hot, was less hard on the needle.

    That could well be so.  It wasn't something that ever occurred to me.

    On the other hand, I was less lucky with the burner in Johanna’s Taylor heater. That one also had an Optimus burner, but not of the same model as those in the Optimus 155 stove, so regular attention was needed.  Frankly, that burner could be a real pain.

    One of the things that you learn, when you cook with kerosene, is that you are dealing with something that has personality.  Nearly always there is a 'good' and a 'not so good' burner and you find yourself lighting the good one first and using it for preference.  Then, one day when you have two burners going, you discover that they have swopped roles for no apparent reason and start using the other one for preference until it happens again.  It all adds variety to life.
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