Galley alcohol, gas and diesel cookers/ovens

  • 10 Jun 2021 10:04
    Reply # 10612034 on 1195343

    Compass24 never responded to our emails about the fire onboard from their shoddy Origo3000 copy last year, but they obviously took on our feedback and the product description (this is not small-print, it's the main info!) now makes it quite clear that it is unsuitable inside or on a boat, and a fire is your fault for not following the instructions to the letter:


    Please observe the following instructions when operating the spirit cooker: -Don't operate the alcohol cooker unattended and never in closed rooms. -Make sure that the cooker cannot tip over and is placed on a fireproof base. -Make sure that the cooker has enough space on all sides, as the cooking pot deflects the flame and heat to the side. -Make sure that the stainless steel springs under the burner pots are high enough so that the burner pot is flush with the lid. -Check your camping cooker before each use for visible damage or other defects that could lead to malfunction. -Children should only stay near the cooker during operation under supervision. -Have fire extinguishing materials ready. A fire blanket or small fire extinguisher is best suited for this purpose. -Read the operating instructions and make sure that you operate your cooker in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.

  • 08 Jun 2021 13:06
    Reply # 10604594 on 1195343

    Thanks Arne. It really tickles me that this fuel can be watered down and washed away with water too!  I am looking forward to the hammer simplicity. I feel a pressure cooker or two coming our way.

    Many thanks again. Pol


  • 08 Jun 2021 08:38
    Reply # 10604005 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    The fuel I use now on my Origo is a yellow-coloured, denaturised alcohol (ethanol). It is probably much the same as the BnQ stuff that Mark Thomassen mention below. It holds 80% alcohol, and I buy it in one-litre bottles in a local hardware store. The bottles make it easy to fill the canisters of the Origo.

    To fill a canister, I take it out in the cockpit and fill it there. Any spills can easily be washed away with water. With one litre filled on an empty canister, the cooker can be heeled much further than you would heel your boat during sailing, still without spilling any fuel, so as long as you fill the canister in the cockpit, and wipe off any spills, there is no way the Origo will have a crazy flame-up.

    The 80% alcohol keeps most of the flame blue at a higher power-setting than when using the 96% stuff. There is also less soot on the kettle. I have tested the time to boil 0.5l of water, and to my surprise, the 80% alcohol is just as fast as the 96% version.

    The greatest long-term advantage with the Origo is to me that there are no critical parts which need maintenance. Simple as a hammer.

    Arne

    PS:
    The only ‘technical’ issue is how to open the cooker to get at the canisters.
    There is a little catch in the middle of the front of the stove, which must be pushed in to release the top half. In addition, both burners must be set to zero to free the lid. This you will do not only to fill the canisters, but also to fit or remove the rubber pads on top of the canisters. These pads are used if some time goes between use (days).
    It will soon become second nature to do this.



    Last modified: 08 Jun 2021 17:56 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 08 Jun 2021 05:29
    Reply # 10603565 on 1195343

    Thank you, Annie. Very encouraging to hear another good review of the Origo. I think I'll be bidding this week on Ebay! We''ll be happy to be using a renewable fuel apart from anything else!  Surely the makers of these things are missing a trick. I'm not sure that even Toplicht make much mention of that. Actually now that you mention it, it will be nice not having everything smelling of paraffin although the lamps still need to be filled now and then.... The Taylors heater was wonderful, but the little Faversham filled with tiny blocks of beech offcuts from the sawmill will be so much nicer!!

  • 08 Jun 2021 03:26
    Reply # 10603133 on 1195343

    I love my Origo.  I don't notice any smell from the spirit and I did notice it when preheating a paraffin cooker.  It's not as hot as gas and definitely not as hot as kero.

    My main reason for not having a Taylor's stove on FanShi is that I got tired of everything smelling of paraffin.  There is also the drawabck that the deckhead discolours, even if you don't have flare-ups (and no regulated galley should have flare-ups).  As a hob, I would say that Taylor's is probably the best to cook on, because of the wonderful cast-iron hot plate. 

    On the other hand, the Origo is the original plug and play cooker, which makes it very easy to remove and clean.  The fuel isn't that expensive, bearing in mind that you dilute it with water(!) and is easy to get hold of in most places.  My cooker doesn't get direct sunlight on it,  but I can imagine the flame could be invisible in bright sunlight. 

    Unless you are marina based and own a car, propane makes no sense at all.  As well as the safety issues, refilling the bottles would be a nightmare.


    I find it literally incredible that we are in the 21st century, in the middle of a climate crisis and that it is almost impossible to buy cookers that don''t require fossil fuels.

    Last modified: 08 Jun 2021 03:26 | Anonymous member
  • 07 Jun 2021 20:37
    Reply # 10602096 on 1195343
    The unused Origo is asking £820 of best offer! Jacksons in the UK had the same model listed at  £184, now discontinued of course. There are others listed. 
  • 07 Jun 2021 20:00
    Reply # 10602020 on 1195343

    Thanks so much for your very helpful replies, and all before lunchtime!!! James I looked up the HPV stove. Will need a bit more research, but looks promising.  David that was bad timing on my part - I spotted the unused Origo on ebay only last night... 

    What a shame that there does not seem to be a big enough market for the makers to keep up the Maxie.

    Thanks again. Pol

  • 07 Jun 2021 12:24
    Reply # 10600778 on 1195343

    I used biofuel from BnQ, made for indoor decorative fires.  Good price.

    did not experience any bad smell.

    it is slow.

    flame is difficult to see.

    best if cooker is in a sealed tray in case of spills.  

  • 07 Jun 2021 11:19
    Reply # 10600633 on 1195343

    Hi Pol,

    I’m a BIG fan of my Origo.
    I really like the feeling of it being one less thing to worry about, having previously had propane and paraffin. I’ve yet to have any accidents with it, but with water always on hand feel confident.

    They’re  slower than gas and paraffin but I don’t care.

    Regarding the smell and itchy eyes, I use bio ethanol and following earlier posts by Arne, dilute it with water between 10-20% ( I’m quite approximate, just measuring by thumb). This definitely reduces the smell (though not completely, which is probably a good thing as it means I still maintain ventilation), with not really any discernible drop in heat. 

    If David’s finds have gone, Compass24 offer an Origo alternative, they also have the single version burner version. IIRC there maybe concerns in reviews that they are not quite of the same quality as the originals.

  • 07 Jun 2021 10:51
    Reply # 10600609 on 1195343

    A propane gas torch can be used to prime a Taylors paraffin cooker, instead of alcohol. It's convenient, and safe enough. But there's always going to be dirt and oily smells with it, however primed.

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