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JRA VIDEO PROJECT - “WE ARE JUNK RIGGERS” - invitation

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  • 16 Jun 2025 23:34
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    Reply # 13510994 on 13496888
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    Well, I don't have any problem distinguishing between "discussing the merits" of something, and "promoting" it. They are not mutually exclusive, but they are different.

    Anyway, there is nothing to say you can't promote the rig. It just does not state that as its aim. It says something different, and, I think, for a reason.


    Back to videos and discussions about about the rig. Jan Cz just sent an email with a link to a very interesting video, in the form of a broadcast interview panel discussion in which JRA member Kris Krzysztof Matuszewski expounds on the subject of junk rigs. I wish I could comment but I can't speak a word of Polish. Have a look here.  Kris gives a presentation of slides and video clips. 

    I guess this is the sort of good discussion we are talking about.


    This is Kris' boat


    Thanks to Jan for the link

    [edit - after some fooling around I found how to get subtitles, in English. From what I could infer, it was an excellent presentation by Kris and also a great introduction to the JRA. Well done Kris.] 

    Last modified: 17 Jun 2025 09:34 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 16 Jun 2025 14:06
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    Anonymous wrote:

    I think it is quite clear.

    Whoever drafted the constitution seems to have been quite careful in his/her choice of words. 

    "Promotion" has a rather different shade of meaning when applied directly to the rig itself, with overtones of salesmanship and evangelism, and it is no accident that someone inserted the words "discussion of", I would suggest, precisely to steer away from that, and meet the very reservations that Arne has expressed in an earlier post. 

    Promotion of the rig is not precluded,  nor is disparagement, and as far as I can see there is nothing to prevent members from doing either. 

    But (rightly, in my opinion) "to promote the JR" is not stated as an aim of the JRA Constitution.

    So, I rather like Arne's interpretation: to "promote gently".

    Yes, I too like Arne's "promote gently" and will readily admit that my choice of the word "evangelise" was far too strong. I also agree that the wording of the constitution was carefully and wisely chosen re promotion. However, I think it'd be quite a challenge to promote discussion of the rig without mentioning its attributes, whereby one would surely be promoting the rig...
  • 15 Jun 2025 00:49
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    I think it is quite clear.

    Whoever drafted the constitution seems to have been quite careful in his/her choice of words. 

    "Promotion" has a rather different shade of meaning when applied directly to the rig itself, with overtones of salesmanship and evangelism, and it is no accident that someone inserted the words "discussion of", I would suggest, precisely to steer away from that, and meet the very reservations that Arne has expressed in an earlier post. 

    Promotion of the rig is not precluded,  nor is disparagement, and as far as I can see there is nothing to prevent members from doing either. 

    But (rightly, in my opinion) "to promote the JR" is not stated as an aim of the JRA Constitution.

    So, I rather like Arne's interpretation: to "promote gently".

    Last modified: 15 Jun 2025 17:07 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 14 Jun 2025 23:22
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    Reply # 13510394 on 13510390
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    Graeme wrote:

    I read this carefully some time ago.

    It doesn't say "...promote the junk rig...".

    The paragraph opens with:

    3.1 to promote and encourage discussion of junk rig (JR),...

    OK, headmaster, so that is ambigous,
    meaning either...

    to promote the JR and encourage discussion of it

    or...

    to promote and encourage discussion of the JR..


    Clear as mud?

    Arne
    Last modified: 14 Jun 2025 23:33 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 14 Jun 2025 22:50
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    I read this carefully some time ago.

    It doesn't say "...promote the junk rig...".

    Last modified: 14 Jun 2025 22:51 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 14 Jun 2025 21:42
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    Reply # 13510383 on 13510316
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    Tony wrote:

    The Aims and Objects of the JRA are:

    3.1 to promote and encourage discussion of junk rig (JR), including its traditional use, its design, and developments of it, and of the building and use of vessels with such rigs and their derivatives.


    OK, then I'll promote the JR, but gently:

    Live and let live,
    love and let love...

    Arne
    Last modified: 15 Jun 2025 22:22 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 14 Jun 2025 19:45
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    Arne, Thanks for the material, I love your sails and am glad you decided to share material even though you prefer writing, over footage. Fine, that's your opinion.

    I on the other hand believe that bigger is better, until it becomes too big, once there, self destruction begins... Obviously the JRA is far from that point, so no worries there.

    Since we all know that brainstorming by groups, is generally the most affective way to solve problems, I believe that a bigger community should result in more innovation, ideas and solutions. 

    People push each other, relationships form and we drive each other, some are competitive, others enjoy serving the whole, some just like sharing their opinion...

    Since a good idea can come from anywhere, more is always better

    I think...


    Keep Junking,

    Rael
  • 14 Jun 2025 15:37
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    Anonymous wrote:

    Written word contra videos.

    First of all, how much should we promote our rigs? Some write about the JR as if it were important to spread the word about it. I am sceptical to that. Promoting the JR can easily sound like bad-mouthing the other rigs (‘pointy rigs’)


    Point 3 of the JRA constitution is;

    3. AIMS AND OBJECTS


    The Aims and Objects of the JRA are:

    3.1 to promote and encourage discussion of junk rig (JR), including its traditional use, its design, and developments of it, and of the building and use of vessels with such rigs and their derivatives.

    Can I second Graeme's request for a new thread?

    Last modified: 14 Jun 2025 15:47 | Anonymous member
  • 14 Jun 2025 15:26
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    I think you‘ve pointed out Graeme, I also perceive this initiative as something joyful, informative and encouraging….

     I think that these qualities apply well to the JRA in general.

    I’ve sent my little contribution to Kevin…

    Keep junking!

    Mauro
  • 14 Jun 2025 11:12
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    Arne says: "This recent video of Ingeborg is mainly meant to be used as mental vitamins for myself during long dark winters."

    However, it's more than that. I think it's a magnificent little clip. It's inspiring and it's an expression of your joy from sailing a responsive boat with a sail you made, and it's a way to share that joy with others. It's also an example of good practice, and demonstrates a sail-making standard people can aim for.

    There is nothing evangelical about it, but it is surely an encouragement to anyone who might be wondering about junk rig. 

    Footage such as this, with a little bit of text ("subtitles") is an example of the sort of thing I hope we can expect from Rael's project.

    I agree with Arne, I am not interested in promotional stuff.

    I just want to see something joyful and informative.

    Last modified: 14 Jun 2025 12:24 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
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