Plywood or timber side plates for tabernackle?

  • 08 Sep 2025 06:08
    Reply # 13539830 on 13534239

    This is mine, as it is at the moment. Just glued the stiffeners on.


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  • 07 Sep 2025 11:32
    Reply # 13539690 on 13534239

    Hi Andy,

    I am just embarking on my second Jr conversion, this time on a 24 foot 2 ton Cornish Crabber Mk1. As I am considering a tabernacle for this one, ( she is to be at least a potential trailer sailer) I am interested to read about your project and to see the various comments here.

     I would go for a strong setup over trying to save a few kgs if you can. With my sawyer's hat on, I urge you to use the best timber you can find. In my book, that means as slow grown as possible, and that any knots are small relative to the cross-sectional area of the piece. If the knots are significant enough, to warrant cutting them out and filling the void with something that is going to be much less flexible than the timber itself, then I would search for another piece. That's all very well for me to say sitting in Big Tree Country in Scotland!

    Best of luck,


    Pol

  • 04 Sep 2025 13:29
    Reply # 13538698 on 13537352
    Gary wrote:

    [...]My tabernacle side cheeks are 90mm x 20mm and not strong enough.[...]

    Hi Gary,

    Thank you for sharing the photos of your build. Dry fitting the tabernacle to the mast before gluing the tabernacle to the boat is a good idea. I wish I had done that. I put the mast up and down several times to make small adjustments. It was not fun.

    Do you have some calculations to show that the current tabernacle is not strong enough? If not, how are you determining the strength? Your 20mm lumber is just about the same as 1" dimension lumber here (0.75" actual).

    I would re-do the math before trying it, but, I think this would have worked for my tabernacle and been much lighter.

    Scott.

  • 01 Sep 2025 05:14
    Reply # 13537352 on 13534239

    I am also working on a tabernacle for my Hartley TS16. Yesterday I did a dry fit and had a go at raising the mast. This proved to be a very simple and stress free process. My previous setup was an alloy tube through the foredeck. Raising the mast involved standing the mast up vertically on the foredeck, lifting it up and lowering it into the tube. An extremely precarious process, and most definitely not recommended. My tabernacle side cheeks are 90mm x 20mm and not strong enough. The mast has a bury of 600mm and is an alloy tube 6.5m x 80mm x 3mm.

    I have two ideas to beef it up. Option 1 is a 40mm x 40mm stiffener running from below deck to just under the pivot bolt on both sides. My preferred option as I have the wood. Option two is alloy channel both sides with the flanges facing out.

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  • 28 Aug 2025 22:33
    Reply # 13536386 on 13534239
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    I have thought that the scantlings of the tabernacle should be at least equal to the scantlings of the mast that fits in it, but no need for more.

    Good clean fir is hard come by where I live, so I turned to aluminium.

    Here is a folded aluminium top-hat section I had made for me, which made three sides of the tabernacle for my 19' trailer boat. It is made from a single piece, with no welding. I found a local company with a guillotine and folder. 

    I chose to have the opening facing to the rear in this case, but it would do as well if facing forward in the conventional way. The flange provides extra stiffness, and of course allows for easy attachment or a gate, or fourth side. 

    It has proved to be successful, so there is another idea to consider.

  • 28 Aug 2025 17:45
    Reply # 13536228 on 13534239

    Hi Andy,

    My S2 6.7 is close-ish to the size of your Hurley 22.

    I must say I am a little envious of the 2300 lbs ballast that you have in your 4000 lbs boat. With a 57.5% ballast to displacement ratio it should be almost impossible for your boat to do anything other than recover immediately after a knock-down.

    Anyway, I built my tabernacle from 2" x 8" nominal (1.5" x 7.5" actual)  douglas fir construction lumber. Each board didn't seem all that heavy while I was building the tabernacle, but when it came time to lift it up to the deck it was clear that I was adding a lot of weight to the bow of my boat. My boat definitely floats lower at the bow than the designed lines. I would like to find a way to remove some weight, but I haven't quite figured out what to do.

    In my opinion, if you can convince yourself that something smaller than 2" lumber is strong enough, you will be happier with the end result.

    But, I am not sure exactly what to suggest. The only douglas fir I could find was 4" x 4" posts and rarely some 2" x 4" or 2" x 8" boards.

    There is 1" dimensional pine (not douglas fir) available. If I was going to try this again I would take a good look at the modulus of rupture for standard construction lumber before using the 1" stock. I would then remove any knots, fill the voids with glass and epoxy, and then use that to build a much lighter tabernacle.

    If you decide strength is everything, then go for the 2" x 8" douglas fir tabernacle. On my boat I have no doubt that the aluminum mast would bend and buckle before the tabernacle gives out. 

    Scott.

  • 22 Aug 2025 14:31
    Reply # 13534255 on 13534239

    A tabernacle is loaded in tension on the windward side; in compression on the leeward side. Timber is strong in tension along the grain; weak in tension across the grain. 

    It follows that plywood is an ineffective material in this application as it cannot be expected to carry as much tension as solid timber of the same thickness. Stick with solid timber, running from top to bottom of the tabernacle, Andy. 2 x 8 on each side seems massively oversized for a Hurley 22, though, even if the timber is not intrinsically strong. 

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  • 22 Aug 2025 13:35
    Message # 13534239

    Hi, I'm currently making a tabernacle for a 8m mast, stepped through to the keel, with 108cm below the deck (which is reinforced), and 100cm above. The mast hinges at the top via a collar, and it will have side braces that will also hold the turning blocks.

    Currently, I'm using two 2x8 planks as the side plates, that taper down once they pass through the hull, using non treated construction lumber. I've used this lumber as it's proved impossible to get the ideal wood (as used by Annie Hill on her tabernacle), so have had to beef it up. But my question is, would I be better to use one or two layers of 25mm plywood for the side posts, and set a piece of lumber once they pass through the deck to handle the compression? Would the plywood handle the dynamics, stress and strain of a tabernacle better than a solid piece of timber?


    Thanks


    Andy