modifying a Sangria to junkrig

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  • 08 Aug 2025 07:01
    Reply # 13529630 on 13487971

    Jacques,

    did you just scale the measures to fit Arne's design for your Sangria? Looks okay on a first glimpse.

    Paul 

  • 08 Aug 2025 04:34
    Reply # 13529623 on 13487971
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I have  not access to my pc, but it looks OK to me.

    Good luck!

    Arne

  • 07 Aug 2025 17:44
    Reply # 13529358 on 13525376
    Anonymous wrote:

    Jacques, not a silly question! But the answer is a very clear No. A bermudan mast is not designed to and not able to take the bending loads of an unstayed mast.


    Arne & Paul

    Enclosed sheet 3 . What do you think about cambered panels ?

    Nice evening

    Jacques

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  • 28 Jul 2025 10:37
    Reply # 13525376 on 13487971

    Jacques, not a silly question! But the answer is a very clear No. A bermudan mast is not designed to and not able to take the bending loads of an unstayed mast.


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  • 28 Jul 2025 10:16
    Reply # 13525375 on 13525367
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Bonjour Jacques,

    it is of course your decision, and I don't want to push. Your preferred version 1 from Arne will work fine, also. Usually 80% is good enough, if the last percentage points would require a relatively large amount of extra work - in your case, a different mast than at hand. 

    I definitely agree with Arne: Please, at least, build cambered panels ;-)


    Cordialement,

    Paul


     

    Yes , with cambered panels .


    Jacques


    Silly question (perhaps-probably !!): is it possible to use my Bermuda mast by transforming it into a self-supporting mast?

    Jacques

  • 28 Jul 2025 08:39
    Reply # 13525367 on 13525187
    Anonymous wrote:

    Bonjour Jacques,

    it is of course your decision, and I don't want to push. Your preferred version 1 from Arne will work fine, also. Usually 80% is good enough, if the last percentage points would require a relatively large amount of extra work - in your case, a different mast than at hand. 

    I definitely agree with Arne: Please, at least, build cambered panels ;-)


    Cordialement,

    Paul


     

    Yes , with cambered panels .


    Jacques

  • 27 Jul 2025 11:53
    Reply # 13525187 on 13487971

    Bonjour Jacques,

    it is of course your decision, and I don't want to push. Your preferred version 1 from Arne will work fine, also. Usually 80% is good enough, if the last percentage points would require a relatively large amount of extra work - in your case, a different mast than at hand. 

    I definitely agree with Arne: Please, at least, build cambered panels ;-)


    Cordialement,

    Paul


     

  • 27 Jul 2025 10:14
    Reply # 13525180 on 13487971
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jacques,

    The aluminium lamppost seems to settle the matter of rig size. I think you will be fine with that rig (SA = 29.8sqm). I just hope that you make the sail with cambered panels in it, but that is up to you to decide.

    Good luck!

    Arne


  • 27 Jul 2025 08:12
    Reply # 13525174 on 13525005
    Anonymous wrote:

    Paul has a point.
    However, we don’t know how and where Jacques’ boat is meant to be sailed yet.
    If some offshore sailing is on the program, I would hesitate with rigging with a too tall mast.

    The shown sailplan, below, has 32sqm sail area, and with the mast height approaching the height of the Bermuda rig’s mast. This should give a SA/disp. of around 22.3, so she cannot be called under-rigged.

    Arne

    (Full size diagram on Arne's sketches, section 8)

    Arne et Paul,

    My sailing area: southern Brittany and mainly the Gulf of Morbihan. No offshore sailing, but tides and strong currents, particularly in the Gulf of Morbihan (mooring buoy  Nevezadenn - Name of my Sangria).

    Nevezadenn is equipped with a 6 hp outboard motor, and my goal is to sail as much as possible.

    No regattas.

    I sail alone and in both summer and winter

    When sailing, I seek simplicity and ease.

    My goal is to observe the sea—fauna and flora—and to make observations for the citizen science association of which I am the president.

    All this to say that the junk rig should allow me to meet these needs. I don't have any specific knowledge of junk rig - I seek advice from you-, but Arne's proposed version 1 seems to meet my needs, especially since the aluminum lamppost that will serve as the mast is 10 m long, and after a few adjustments, it's likely to be 9.80 m long.

    What do you think ?

    Good Sunday

    Jacques

  • 26 Jul 2025 11:27
    Reply # 13525005 on 13487971
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Paul has a point.
    However, we don’t know how and where Jacques’ boat is meant to be sailed yet.
    If some offshore sailing is on the program, I would hesitate with rigging with a too tall mast.

    The shown sailplan, below, has 32sqm sail area, and with the mast height approaching the height of the Bermuda rig’s mast. This should give a SA/disp. of around 22.3, so she cannot be called under-rigged.

    Arne

    (Full size diagram on Arne's sketches, section 8)

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