Beam to length

  • 30 Jan 2018 10:08
    Reply # 5708701 on 5708443

    The first thing I'd like to say, and also the most important, is "moderation in all things". Especially in the matter of ocean-going sailing boats.

    In many books on yacht design, you'll find a comparison between midship underwater sections that are basically semicircular, rectangular or triangular. It's worth studying these texts. Basically: semicircular for minimum resistance, but rolls like a pig in clover; rectangular for greater initial stability but a quick uncomfortable motion; triangular for a good compromise between the first two, giving good speed, good stability, easy motion and load carrying ability but lacking width at cabin sole level. 

    Many recent designs feature a chine above the waterline, with an underwater shape that might be considered as a compromise between round and triangular. I think this is turning out to be the right way for yacht design to go, and I'm glad that David Thomas and I settled on it as the basis for the design of Tystie, after discarding rounder shapes. It worked out so well that I adopted a simplified form for SibLim.  The latter is quite beamy, as she is to be a permanent home (most cruising sailing boats spend far more time at anchor or moored than they do sailing, and need to be comfortable during that time, as well as while rolling down the Trades), and also because she is relatively short - the shorter the boat, the greater the beam should be. The above-water chine allows for a smaller waterline beam, for greater speed downwind, but gives greater stiffness when heeled and on the wind. 

    So this would be my recommendation: go for a moderate version of Tystie's and SibLim's midship section - chine above water, more or less V-shaped under water, with a nod towards the semicircular section so as not to have too much wetted surface. 

  • 30 Jan 2018 08:43
    Reply # 5708651 on 5708443
    Deleted user

    One thing to consider is waterline beam because for any given length the wider the waterline beam the more drag there is. I think in all cases a moderate beam is best, and even in all the new age yachts which have very wide transoms the actual beam of boat in the water at the stern can be quite narrow. Our own boat 'Footprints' is pretty fast in downwind conditions but her waterline beam for the whole length of the boat is relatively narrow with a hollow entry at the bow and the bottom of the transom sitting just at water level producing little drag. I have also found that the more weight I remove from the boat, the faster she goes. 

    So as the others have said there are many variables, which would also include hull type - displacement hull which sits well down in the water, or a planing hull which skims across the top of the water. 

    Last modified: 30 Jan 2018 08:45 | Deleted user
  • 30 Jan 2018 05:02
    Reply # 5708521 on 5708443
    Paul Andrews wrote:

    I have been looking for a boat to convert to a junk rig.   Is it better to go with a beamer boat do to   Rrunning down wind, the boom is over the center of gravity quite a lot.?. I. Sail in the Pacific and have the opportunity to go down wind often.  What do you think.?.

    Generally speaking, a beamy boat will sail better downwind and a narrower boat better upwind, but as David says, there are many other factors involved.  Narrow, slack-bilged, heavy boats do roll a lot downwind, which can be tiring, but a light-displacement narrow boat with firm bilges can be a delight downwind, happily skimming along, even surfing a bit on the crest of waves.  So, impossible to give you a definitive answer.  It would be easier to give advice if you presented a particular boat for critique, especially a well-known design.  Good luck!
  • 30 Jan 2018 04:31
    Reply # 5708507 on 5708443

    Hi Paul, all boats are different and will act in different ways. The question you ask is not easy to answer as so many other factors have to be taken into consideration when choosing a boat. In my opinion one of the most important factors for a boat that is intended to have a junk rig, is directional stability. Rudder size is also important as many junk rigs carry appreciable weather helm when steering downwind or on a broad reach. In my opinion it is more important to choose a boat that meets your requirements for being aboard, rather than a hypothetical possible performance issue that may be designed around by the rig you put on the hull.

    David.

  • 30 Jan 2018 03:38
    Message # 5708443

    I have been looking for a boat to convert to a junk rig.   Is it better to go with a beamer boat do to   Rrunning down wind, the boom is over the center of gravity quite a lot.?. I. Sail in the Pacific and have the opportunity to go down wind often.  What do you think.?.

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