A different way to sew up a cambered sail.

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  • 13 Nov 2017 10:41
    Reply # 5583581 on 5582930
    Ok, thanks.

    I’m about to start constructing the sail for my Galion 22. I’ll be using Arne’s sailplan/s and almost certainly the hinge method I very succesfully tried with Joe 17.

    However, this time I’ll be using 190g/sqm Outguard fabric, which is quite stiff and I’m a bit worried about the wrinkle issue. Joe 17’s sail had 90 g/sqm cloth, which was a lot lighter and found its form nicely. I think the hinge method helps fighting the wrinkles, but how much (or if at all in a reasonable amount) is unknown.

  • 13 Nov 2017 10:03
    Reply # 5583532 on 5582930

    Hi, Jami, 

    Slieve McGalliard had done a good write-up here on the website on the broadseam method he used to construct his sail.  

    On the left hand side column on the "Home" page, select "Junk Information, Public Domain Files, Slieve McGalliard"  

    There you'll find a good writeup with illustrations on the logic, construction and sailing of a Split Junk Rig boat.  

    Using this information, I've built a small split junk rig (10.5sqM) for a Wayfarer dinghy.  I also used Slieve's method to build camber into the main panel.  But used a sheeting angle of 0 degrees and a camber of 8%.  

    I've sailed it 3 times so far and Slieve's broadseam method has worked very well.  Both the main and jib panels have set well when filled with wind, but I haven't finished setting up the sail properly to get the best out of it. No wrinkling along the battens.  Also discovered some boat problems on the hull (which hadn't been sailed for many years) which I need to rectify over the winter and start again next spring.  

    There's no reason though, why Slieve's method wouldn't work very effectively for an regular balance junk sail like you had on your Joe 17.  

    When you get your head around it, it is probably no more work than Arne's method and no wrinkling along the battens.  


    Also, I asked a few questions on the forum along the way under "Split Junk Rig, constructions details" on the details of construction, which Slieve very kindly gave comprehensive answers to.  

    Regards, Dave D.

  • 13 Nov 2017 09:44
    Reply # 5583522 on 5583494
    Jami Jokinen wrote:

    Davd,

    Is the lens method explained somewhere in detail, preferably with illustrations? I don’t seem to find a proper tutorial of any sort.

    Try C and SJ P1-22 12-03-17c.pdf page 11 onwards.
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  • 13 Nov 2017 09:05
    Reply # 5583494 on 5582930

    Davd,

    Is the lens method explained somewhere in detail, preferably with illustrations? I don’t seem to find a proper tutorial of any sort.

    Last modified: 13 Nov 2017 09:06 | Anonymous member
  • 13 Nov 2017 08:53
    Reply # 5583491 on 5582930

    Only recently, someone (Slieve, I think) tried modelling something like this with paper, and found that the resulting shape was very bad.

    But take it just one step further. Reduce the width of the pieces that carry the batten pockets to the bare minimum, and introduce a wider piece of cloth to form the bulk of the panel, and then you have the "lens" shelf that we are familiar with, which is the best of all ways of putting in the camber.

  • 12 Nov 2017 23:28
    Message # 5582930

    I have noticed that there have been numerous comments on darts and wrinkles having to be included/dealt with on cambered sails that are sewn with the cambered edge sewn to the batten pocket.

    I wondered if anyone has considered/tried sewing the batten pocket into the middle of the cambered panel and then sew the cambered edges together midway between the battens?

    As I see it this would mean that the panel distance along the batten would be shorter than the distance where the cambered edges were sewn together. This would give a natural fullness to the sail with no darts needed or wrinkling along the batten, and the batten pocket would be very easy to sew if the panel was folded and it was sewn at an appropriate distance from the folded edge. A half panel would be needed at the head and foot in order to complete the sail.

    Has anyone any thoughts on this suggestion??

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