Mast repair advice

  • 27 Sep 2017 05:55
    Reply # 5281627 on 5262807

    I agree completely. Challenge is to unite any inner reinforcement to the existing outer. The outer can then transfer strain to the inner before it stretches, bends or cracks. Like a hollow cardboard tube that becomes much stronger just because it's crammed full of... anything, almost.

    How about laying up longitudinal kevlar or glass fibre to form a tube inside a tube, right on the inner surface? Real reinforcement, as in mehitabel's rudder stock insert. Abrade the inner surface, somehow, and use a great long balloon instead of a vacuum bag to press the resin... there's a project. (Actually, not that hard. And a sound result. Rivets in the way would be an asset, if they didn't pop the... yeah.)

    And of course the mast-stub doesn't have to be aluminium either, if replacing it. Nope, not limited to any one material. (I didn't mention carbon with Al though, because of conductivity and corrosion...)

    Full contact between inner thing and outer thing will have the best chance against deformation.

    Cheers, Kurt

  • 26 Sep 2017 20:44
    Reply # 5280887 on 5279753
    Kurt Jon Ulmer wrote:

    An inner heavy-walled aluminium sleeve, fitting loosely, (because fitting perfectly is not a sure thing, and getting it in there isn't either) with the space around it carefully filled with a uniform rigid-setting pourable substance (epoxy glue mix an obvious one) would, I think, prevent the holes near deck level causing any mischief.

    Why be limited to aluminium? Presumably we could reinforce the inside of the mast with other materials and even other shapes.

    Here's the crudest idea: what if you jammed a wooden plank in there? That would reinforce the mast quite well, but in one direction only.  What about a cross-shape? 

    How about an octagonal birdsmouth mast type insert?  If you made it the right size you wouldn't even need to glue it -- just mallet it in.

    These are not ideas I've thoroughly thought through though. Just kicking off some lateral thinking.

  • 26 Sep 2017 11:40
    Reply # 5279753 on 5262807

    The mast-stub (What do Coromandel sailors call it?) has to be bombproof, and can be allowed to be a little heavy, being where it is. If it isn't bombproof already, at least it's hollow. Outer surface perfection would be best in a bending situation, but that's inconvenient.

    (mehitabel's overbuilt hollow carbon spade rudder stock has a heavy carbon sleeve inside, packed in an epoxy mix, through the portion spanning its bearing at the hull, so that I can believe in it.)

    An inner heavy-walled aluminium sleeve, fitting loosely, (because fitting perfectly is not a sure thing, and getting it in there isn't either) with the space around it carefully filled with a uniform rigid-setting pourable substance (epoxy glue mix an obvious one) would, I think, prevent the holes near deck level causing any mischief.

    It's an idea. I haven't addressed the rivets that may be in the way... but I may as well mention to cool the tubes, so as not to let the resin heat up in there and make soft foam filler instead of hard epoxy.

    Regards, Kurt
  • 26 Sep 2017 08:08
    Reply # 5279522 on 5279499
    Kurt Jon Ulmer wrote:

    Although reinforcing the outside of the Coromandel mast-stub might be awkward, the inside could probably be sleeved to bombproofness.

    I like this thinking.  I'll investigate.

    And the outer sliding sleeve, outer-sleeved?

    I think the outer sliding sleeve is OK, but if it were too thin it would probably be simpler just to replace it, provided a tube could be made with just the right inner diameter.

    Or, perhaps best, a new mast with no interruptions, that simply speaks confidence...

    The best option, I think, for long-distance.

  • 26 Sep 2017 06:55
    Reply # 5279499 on 5262807

    Although reinforcing the outside of the Coromandel mast-stub might be awkward, the inside could probably be sleeved to bombproofness. And the outer sliding sleeve, outer-sleeved? Or, perhaps best, a new mast with no interruptions, that simply speaks confidence...

    Kurt

  • 23 Sep 2017 19:42
    Reply # 5276169 on 5272883
    David Tyler wrote:

    …there's a professional method in which a brightly coloured compound is rubbed well into the surface, then wiped off completely clean. Cracks may show up at this stage as a coloured line. If not, as a further stage, a thin coating of a chalky white substance is applied. The colourant then leaches out of the crack and stains the white coating. You might try improvising this method using some artist's oil paint and some Tippex correction fluid.

    It turns out my dad is familiar with this method from aircraft engineering. Unfortunately the cracks are likely to appear underneath the riveted collar, making the likelihood of sudden failure more likely. Not a good cruising design.

  • 22 Sep 2017 21:01
    Reply # 5275338 on 5274605
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    What about simply beefing up the section around those holes with a number of (20cm long?) strips of aluminium, like the staves on a wooden barrel? With the metal surfaces perfectly clean and lightly sanded, they should hold epoxy glue very well.

    Or have I missed something? Am I about to produce a ‘stiff knee’?

    Arne



    I think that won't work with the mast hinge. The hinge relies on a sleeve that fits snugly over the collar you can see there. Take a look at https://flic.kr/p/nUkXkh
  • 22 Sep 2017 09:40
    Reply # 5274605 on 5262807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    What about simply beefing up the section around those holes with a number of (20cm long?) strips of aluminium, like the staves on a wooden barrel? With the metal surfaces perfectly clean and lightly sanded, they should hold epoxy glue very well.

    Or have I missed something? Am I about to produce a ‘stiff knee’?

    Arne


  • 22 Sep 2017 09:20
    Reply # 5274597 on 5272878
    Richard Brooksby wrote:

    Uncannily accurate!


    Oh boy!!
  • 21 Sep 2017 09:51
    Reply # 5272883 on 5262807

    In my former life as a designer at Kemp Masts Ltd, I did a lot of fatigue testing on components riveted to aluminium masts. Where there was a load in the vertical direction,  cracks would eventually start to propagate horizontally outwards from holes in the mast wall. 

    It would be worth doing some DIY crack detection around holes near deck level. First, examine closely with a magnifying glass and a bright light. If this reveals no cracks, there's a professional method in which a brightly coloured compound is rubbed well into the surface, then wiped off completely clean. Cracks may show up at this stage as a coloured line. If not, as a further stage, a thin coating of a chalky white substance is applied. The colourant then leaches out of the crack and stains the white coating. You might try improvising this method using some artist's oil paint and some Tippex correction fluid.

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