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  • 14 Oct 2018 11:47
    Reply # 6721429 on 6719290
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    I have spent days searching the internet for a formula to check the thickness of aluminum I need for my mast. Still I can't find an answer. The dimensions of my mast is attached to the link. Boat data:

    LOA : 10m

    BEAM: 3.574m

    DISP: 5.5T

    SAIL AREA: 53.7sq.m

    BALLAST: 2T

    I found a standard flag post product with 200mm dia base, 85mm dia top, 186.68mm dia at deck level, length 14m and wall thickness 4mm made of T6 Aluminium. If the thickness is not enough, I can buy 2 and sleeve them together to make up a wall thickness of 8 because the inside is smooth.

    It will be great if the Calculator can help me find and answer. But I still have to show to the authority my calculation process. I wish to know the deflection on the mast top too. Can someone help me with a formula or an xls spreadsheet. Thanks

    John Kwong 


    John, maybe this chapter 6b will give you a hint on getting the right mast dimension at deck level. However, if you are to use 2 or 3 masts, you will have to decide how you want to spread the load.

    Arne

  • 13 Oct 2018 20:38
    Reply # 6720845 on 6719290
    Deleted user
    Anonymous wrote:

    I have spent days searching the internet for a formula to check the thickness of aluminum I need for my mast. Still I can't find an answer. The dimensions of my mast is attached to the link. Boat data:

    John Kwong 

    The following links should help:

    http://www.junkrigassociation.org/junkfaqs_masts

    http://www.junkrigassociation.org/technical_forum/3996301?rid=4045107#4045107


  • 12 Oct 2018 15:12
    Reply # 6719364 on 1420814

    Hi John,

    The Junk Rig Calculator should help with this.  Good luck!

    Mark

  • 12 Oct 2018 13:09
    Reply # 6719290 on 1420814

    I have spent days searching the internet for a formula to check the thickness of aluminum I need for my mast. Still I can't find an answer. The dimensions of my mast is attached to the link. Boat data:

    LOA : 10m

    BEAM: 3.574m

    DISP: 5.5T

    SAIL AREA: 53.7sq.m

    BALLAST: 2T

    I found a standard flag post product with 200mm dia base, 85mm dia top, 186.68mm dia at deck level, length 14m and wall thickness 4mm made of T6 Aluminium. If the thickness is not enough, I can buy 2 and sleeve them together to make up a wall thickness of 8 because the inside is smooth.

    It will be great if the Calculator can help me find and answer. But I still have to show to the authority my calculation process. I wish to know the deflection on the mast top too. Can someone help me with a formula or an xls spreadsheet. Thanks

    John Kwong 

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  • 17 Jul 2016 23:03
    Reply # 4137387 on 1420814
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Now I have looked up in the book where I took the strength data of woods from:


    Ian Nicolson: BOAT DATA BOOK

    He has three numbers about strength,

    Tearing force: 700kg/sq cm (69MPa  -  Mega-Pascal)

    Crushing force: 457kg/sq cm (45MPa)

    Breaking force: 863kg/sq cm (85MPa)

    I guess it was (and still is) a bit unclear for me which number to pick (that is, what they mean), so I picked the lowest number.

    I am open to be corrected on this.

    Cheers, Arne.

  • 15 Jul 2016 23:42
    Reply # 4135576 on 1420814

    Arne, I think we should all trust your judgement !! :-)


  • 13 Jul 2016 10:51
    Reply # 4129042 on 1420814
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Malcom,
    I am sure your numbers are right.
    It is just that I am a pessimist, and I want the mast to stay up even if a bit water finds its way into the wood. 

    Arne 

    Last modified: 13 Jul 2016 10:51 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 13 Jul 2016 09:00
    Reply # 4128916 on 1420814

    Arne, firstly I should say I am no expert, but looking at the reference (the link in Oscar's post) where I found the data, the major factor seems to be the amount of moisture in the wood - it says 41Mpa for Spruce in the green state and 72Mpa with 12% moisture.

    Gougeon Brothers "Blue Book" book suggests that the moisture content of West encapsulated timber will tend towards a moisture content determined by average humidity of it's environment, and this will typically be 8% to 12% (for a range of RH from 35% to 65%). However, given that I am in Cumbria (and I am guessing Norway is similar) we should probably plan on 100% RH!!! :-) ...

    BTW, The same book provides Modulus of Rupture figures as follows:

    12% moisture Black Spruce - 71.0Mpa

    12% moisture Sitka Spruce - 70.3Mpa

    but the green wood figures are much lower

    Black: 37Mpa

    Sitka: 39Mpa


    Mal

  • 12 Jul 2016 09:19
    Reply # 4125487 on 4123658
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Oscar Fröberg wrote:

    Paul et al, thanks to JRA member Malcolm I just updated the JRCalc with different modulus of rupture for the different wood types. Source:

    http://www.conradfp.com/pdf/ch4-Mechanical-Properties-of-Wood.pdf

    Before I just used a generic value of 50 MPa for all of them, as I (as far as I remember) couldn't find any data at the time. The following values are now used:

    Cedar, western red: 52 MPa
    Spruce, Norwegian: 72 MPa (although it's USA spruce in the PDF, so just guessing here)
    Douglas fir: 87 MPa
    Oak: 96 MPa

    http://jrcalc.oscarfroberg.com/


    I notice that the strength of spruce is set to 72MPa (72Newton/sq mm). I see these numbers vary quite a bit in data books. I have used a more conservative number;

    45 MPa for spruce. (corrected 17.7.)

    My guess is that the higher numbers can be obtained on hand-picked, flawless examples. Since my practice has been to just cut down a suitable tree, I think it is better for me to use that lower strength number when calculating the mast. It is still possible to rig a mast which does not add much over 3.0% to the boat's displacement, and I find that to be tolerable.

    Arne

    Last modified: 17 Jul 2016 23:09 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 11 Jul 2016 22:35
    Reply # 4124574 on 4123658
    Oscar Fröberg wrote:

    Cedar, western red: 52 MPa
    Spruce, Norwegian: 72 MPa (although it's USA spruce in the PDF, so just guessing here)
    Douglas fir: 87 MPa
    Oak: 96 MPa

    http://jrcalc.oscarfroberg.com/

    There's a bit of difference there, between cedar and oak.  Very interesting: not that I can imagine anyone having an oak mast!
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