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  • 25 Sep 2013 20:58
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    If I can just throw in what Tystie needed when ketch-rigged - it was definitely mizzen reefs first, because Tystie develops strong weather helm when greatly heeled, being of shoal draft. This is a case of sensing what the boat needs, and doing whatever suits her, isn't it?
  • 23 Sep 2013 06:24
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    'Gybing' (but not generally around) is done when on the run, or broad reaching, and is the process whereby we bring the wind from one quarter to the other.  Wearing the ship is often done instead of tacking (because she won't!), so the process might actually start with the wind being forward of the beam.  But both manoeuvres involve the stern being turned into the wind at some stage of the process.
  • 22 Sep 2013 21:44
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    In Norwegian it's called to make a "cow turn" (kuvending). It can also be used as a verb; to cow-turn (å kuvende). I think we have picked it from German..

    What about "gybing around", is that something I have just dreamt?

    Arne

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  • 22 Sep 2013 20:45
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    John Cornicelli wrote:

    She did discover a Navy move the other day when, instead of tacking like planned, we had too much lee helm and she took us all the way 'round and we ended up on the preplanned other tack.  There's a name for that....and we do it now and then.
    Yes, it's called "to wear" as in "to wear the ship" it is primly a square rig manoeuvre but can be very useful to us small boat sailors. Useful to get going again if you get caught in irons.
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  • 20 Sep 2013 15:45
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    Hey a Daniel!  Hope all is well...

    We had this debate out sailing the other day.  We decided, since we have a balancing jib, to reef foresail first.  My dear mate knows if things get weird, to steer directly into the wind and we can then sort it out in irons, and I'd rather have weather helm in that case.  The jib out there can be backed to swing us back out of irons.  

    She did discover a Navy move the other day when, instead of tacking like planned, we had too much lee helm and she took us all the way 'round and we ended up on the preplanned other tack.  There's a name for that....and we do it now and then.
  • 14 Sep 2013 20:40
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    Interesting this. Jonathan and I reef (reefed in my case) the foresail first. Tony and Kurt reef the main. Four boats, two 'systems'. Hmmm.
  • 14 Sep 2013 07:09
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    mehitabel, with her main the larger sail, invariably reefs her main first. The first reef is a smaller bite than the second, which is taken after the fore's been reefed one panel.
    Cheers,
    Kurt
  • 13 Sep 2013 21:44
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    For LC it's the same as for Ron Glas, we reef the main first. Only after the second panel is in do we take a panel in the foresail but I'm still learning so nothing is set in concrete.
  • 13 Sep 2013 17:19
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    RE reefing on the wind. I think a lot depends on the relative sail areas of the schooner`s two sails. Seems to me that if the two sails are similar in area then the above method seems sensible ----- on Ron Glas our  main is twice the size of the foresail, we dont touch the foresail ,rather gradually reducing the main until only the fans are left, then we start reducing the foresail---  although we rarely get to that stage, it has to be gale conditions. We have to reduce the main first or she pulls up too far to wind and gets hard mouthed. Strokes for folks??  TONY&SALLY
  • 13 Sep 2013 13:55
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