Other rigs??

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  • 03 May 2012 16:19
    Reply # 910846 on 891612
    Im experamenting with a junkette rig ,ie I am using masts with sail tracks , use two ropes to get the sail up , one for the sail and one for the yard .       Ive had probs with battons   and a sail sticking on a track , but im slowly sorting them out .     my experience is negligble with this rig so im playing by ear .    I will push it to the limit and if its no good I wil de fault to true junk rig .   
  • 26 Apr 2012 21:52
    Reply # 903081 on 901451
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    Robert Biegler wrote:
    Peter Scandling wrote:Do we actually have any members trying out other unstayed rigs?

    I wrote to the inventor when I discovered the website, inviting him to write an article for the JRA Newsletter.  I never got a reply.  But doesn't Google archive everything?  Is it possible to retrieve the old site?


    There's a web archive called wayback.com which has the article archived. This link here should be the one. You have to wait while it travels back in time...
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  • 25 Apr 2012 15:59
    Reply # 901451 on 891612
    Peter Scandling wrote:Do we actually have any members trying out other unstayed rigs?

    I use Matt Layden's roller reefing standing lug sail on the Paradox sharpie he designed.  I described it in the newsletter a while back.

    There used to be a website at http://smartsailing.se/English/index.htm/ that described a more high tech version of a roller reefing main.  It had an unstayed, rotating mast, full length battens, a box around the boom that was fixed at a right angle to the mast (it is even possible that it did not move at all relative to the mast), metal hooks at the ends of the battens, and a sliding car with a bar those hooks could hook into.  To reef, you just released the halyard.  The spring-loaded boom would roll up the sail.  When the next batten reached the level of the boom, the hook at the end would push the cross bar on the sliding car back a little bit, then a bungee would pull it forward again to pull it over the hook.  I forget the arrangement at the luff at the sail, but there was some automatic hook there as well.  Tighten the halyard, and you're set.

    I wrote to the inventor when I discovered the website, inviting him to write an article for the JRA Newsletter.  I never got a reply.  But doesn't Google archive everything?  Is it possible to retrieve the old site?

    There is also the Omer soft wing sail: http://www.omerwingsail.com/

    Peter Estrup and Joan Bergstrom patented an unbattened lug equivalent of Slieve's split junk, or if you prefer, a lug sail version of a balestron rig: http://www.balancedrig.com/.  Perhaps one of the people who market the rig now could be invited to publish with the JRA.  There is a brochure, but it's marketing blurb.

    The proa designer Rob Denney is working on a telescoping unstayed wing mast.  He hasn't updated www.harryproa.com since June 2008, preferring to post news on the Yahoo harryproa discussion group.  He also bulds unstayed carbon masts for balestron rigs, and says he can build such a rig for less money than a stayed alloy rig.  Cheap carbon masts might be interesting for junkies, to better feed the habit.

    Regards

    Robert Biegler
  • 18 Apr 2012 06:47
    Reply # 892153 on 891612
    Sorry to create more work!! ;)   I was reading it off the homepage.
  • 18 Apr 2012 03:36
    Reply # 892033 on 891612
    In fact, I've just edited the Home page, now you've brought it to my attention. How difficult it is to keep everything up to date, all the time.
  • 18 Apr 2012 03:32
    Reply # 892027 on 891612
    Peter,
    You're reading that off the Home page, I think, which ought to be re-written. That wording was taken from the 1989 constitution, which was replaced last year by a new Constitution.
    In it, the wording is:

    3. AIMS AND OBJECTS


    The Aims and Objects of the JRA are:


    3.1 to promote and encourage discussion of junk rig, including its traditional use, its design, and developments of it, and of the building and use of vessels with such rigs and their derivatives.


    3.2 to facilitate contact and communication between members of the Association.

    The original wording was intended to attract all-comers, but it never took hold, so we've moved back to our core business.


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  • 18 Apr 2012 03:24
    Reply # 892024 on 891612

    "Junk Rig Association (JRA) aims to encourage the development of the junk rig and other un-stayed and/or battened cruising rigs"  

    Gary, that is my point.  As an association we aim to promote the development of all unstayed cruising rigs.  But do we actually do this? 

    Of course the lug sail is a relative of the 'Chinese' lug or junk.

    Peter

  • 18 Apr 2012 03:05
    Reply # 892016 on 892014
    Peter Scandling wrote:

    Brian

    Thanks for the reply.  I am aware that there is a great deal of development of the junk rig by members, and a few are trying wingsails.... I was really trying to find out if anyone is 'fiddling' with lugs, sprit rigs, crab claws or are any other alternative unstayed rigs. 

    Peter


    I wouldn't think so as none of them are variations of the JR.
  • 18 Apr 2012 02:55
    Reply # 892014 on 891612

    Brian

    Thanks for the reply.  I am aware that there is a great deal of development of the junk rig by members, and a few are trying wingsails.... I was really trying to find out if anyone is 'fiddling' with lugs, sprit rigs, crab claws or are any other alternative unstayed rigs. 

    Peter

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  • 17 Apr 2012 18:19
    Reply # 891691 on 891612
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    David Tyler has sailed half way round the world with his wingsail. Bernard Fercot is, I believe, building one for his new catamaran. I bought a Freedom 39 with a Freedom rig - used it for a season and converted to junk as it's a far better cruising option. Slieve McGalliard and others are experimenting with split junk sails ('jiblets'). Someone - can't remember who right now - built a junk with wishbone battens so that the sail was held between them Others will know others, so yes, it's going on...  
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