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  • 29 Sep 2018 23:50
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    Reply # 6698712 on 6677159
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    Today I called about a boat about 200 miles away. Not right here in town but still possible to go there and trailer back in a day.

    I made an offer. We agreed on a price. I agreed to meet him on a specific day in the coming week.  He also agreed to email me confirming the deal. I got a text message saying that he will email me confirming the agreement. I was very happy. 

    About 6 hours later I get a text message saying he 'decided to back out of the deal' and that he wants to keep the boat local.

    It is hard to keep a positive attitude after this.

    Scott.

    Last modified: 29 Sep 2018 23:51 | Anonymous member
  • 26 Sep 2018 04:34
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    Reply # 6693141 on 6677159
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    Tscott,

    The dry boat weight is listed at 2000. Someone on the cp site guesses that the 19/3 may weigh up to a couple of hundred lbs more. I’d guess my 19 is maybe 3000 lbs. with trailer, outboard etc. Gear weight can sneak up on you. I don’ know the tongue weights. Hutchins in Florida is still in business making compacs. They are said to be very helpful and answer questions by phone. They could give more accurate information and maybe advise on vehicle specs.

    When I launch and retrieve my wheels are in the water up to the rims even with the trailer extension. Others report launching ok without an extension. My ramp may have a lower slope. The hitch on the truck is out of the water. Pretty sure the trailer coupling is also out.

    I tMost of these trailers have no brakes.  Going any distance the match between your vehicle’s weight and sufficient brakes and the trailer weight becomes important.  Back in school I helped a graduating student move with an econoline van. The Uhual trailer held a lot of weight in books alone. On a long down hill it started pushing the rear of the van to the side. It took weaving over 3 lanes before getting control. That said, a haul at slower speeds and a short distance is different. You may want to Give Hutchins a call 

    http://www.com-pacyachts.com/
  • 26 Sep 2018 00:51
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    Reply # 6692869 on 6677159
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    Hi Phil,

    Thanks for getting back to me. The support and interest on this site is amazing.

    I should have asked some more specific questions. If you are able to answer it would be helpful.

    What is the total trailer weight with the boat on it?

    What is the tongue weight with the boat on the trailer?

    What is the tongue weight with the boat on the trailer and the 8' extension attached?

    How far into the water do you need to put the trailer to get the boat floating at the ramp that you use most? Does the coupler on the trailer need to be under water?

    I should have said this before. I have a class III hitch with a 2" ball on the drawbar. I also have a 4 flat wiring harness ready to go. I have been using this setup and a jet ski trailer to get my puddle duck to the lake. The steering and tranny coolers are the things I do not have ready to go.

    Thank you for starting the thread on the other site.

    Scott

    Last modified: 26 Sep 2018 00:54 | Anonymous member
  • 25 Sep 2018 23:51
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    Reply # 6692814 on 6677159
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    Scott,

    I don’t know what I can say about towing with your Odyessy. I have a class 3 hitch on my Ford 150 pickup. It attaches to the frame and has a 2 inch ball which is what the trailer accepts. Class two hitches, are lighter and are rated up to 3500 lbs. The shank or bolt on part of two inch ball is a larger diameter than the smaller class two sized balls   If you have a frame the outlook could be better.

    The compac 19 tows easily behind my truck. Empty trucks have poor traction so to haul out I look for a time when the ramp is dry and not near the low tide mark where the slick stuff never drys. Front whee drive should have better traction than the truck. 

    Your specs  call for transmission and steering coolers for the 3500 lb rating. I don,t think towing a few miles would cause overheating but a longer trip especially one with hills could.

    I will post your question on the Compac owner site.A number of long term 19 owners there. Keep an eye out. Also non members can search the site.

    http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php

    Last modified: 25 Sep 2018 23:55 | Deleted user
  • 25 Sep 2018 17:52
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    Reply # 6692209 on 6677159
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    I have thought about a winch on the back end of the car. I did not think the front would work out.

    I looked at the paper manual in the glovebox. I reads just like the screenshot I attached from the online version. As a couple people have said this is clearly up to me to make sure it is right. I am not planning to use "The JRA said it would work!" as an excuse if something goes wrong. And, if anything, it seems the JRA consensus is that this will not work.

    But I do very much appreciate the thoughtful advice..

    Phil --  If you are still following this thread I would appreciate your input. I am about to make an offer on a Com-Pac 19. Do you have any thoughts on towing your boat with a 3.5L V6 minivan?

    Scott.

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  • 25 Sep 2018 13:53
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    Reply # 6691595 on 6677159
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    Hi Arne,

    at least your  little Jimmy had a chassis, probably of 10 or 12 gauge steel (around 3 mm). The modern car  has a unit construction body and the thickest metal is usually 16 or 18 gauge (1.2 to 1.5 mm) hence my concern with the attachment of a winch. My own car, a Nissan Mistral, has a chassis made from steel  at least 4 mm thick and has a tow bar rated at 2 tons. The car is rated to tow a two and a half  ton trailer and I know that the chassis would support a winch of the size needed to pull a boat up a launching ramp.

    Scott, I suggest that you visit a towing hitch or trailer manufacturer and get some professional advice on what they think your car is capable of towing. Our amateur prognostications are all well and good but you will need to get a tow bar and possibly a winch fitted to your car if you are going to tow a boat of that size. This needs to be done by someone who knows what they are doing.

    All the best, David.
  • 25 Sep 2018 11:56
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    Reply # 6691443 on 6677159
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    I would not be much worried about doing damage to the car by winching a 2-ton trailer up a ramp. Most roads are less steep than 7%, and I doubt if most ramps are steeper than 10-12% (I’ll check the ramp of my harbour next time I am there).

    A 10% slope (and a 2000kg trailer) means that the rope and winch will only have to pull with a force of 2000kg x 0.10 = 200kg force (441 lbs)  -  plus a little rolling resistance. Since the car’s hook is dimensioned to handle hard braking, it will take several times that load.

    If my little car had not had a low enough gear, and thus been too weak to pull up my Frøken Sørensen, I would have gone for a winch.

    Arne

    PS: Now I checked the launching ramp in Lundsvågen Harbour. I found the angle to be 7.4 degrees, which means just below 13% slope. A 2000kg trailer would then require a pull of 2000 x 0.13 = 260kg force (= 573 lbs). That ramp appears to be neither very steep nor very flat, so it would not surprise me if most ramps are  similar to this one.


    Last modified: 25 Sep 2018 13:47 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 25 Sep 2018 09:01
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    Reply # 6691300 on 6677159
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    Hi Scott,

    I looked up the manufacturers rating for towing on a Honda Odyssey but only found a 2018 2.4 liter, 4 cylinder one. This had a rating of 1000 kg braked and 450 kg unbraked. The six cylinder would probably have a slightly higher towing capacity but not a lot as much of the rating depends on chassis design and engine configuration.

    David Tyler's idea of a winch sounds good, but I am a bit worried about what it would be bolted to as the Odyssey is not made for attaching a winch at the front. It would really add to the launching ramp entertainment to see the front of your car torn off and sliding into the water with the boat and trailer!!

    All the best, David.
  • 25 Sep 2018 08:31
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    Reply # 6691279 on 6690833
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    Scott wrote:
    David wrote:

    To maximise the ability of a front wheel drive vehicle to haul a trailer up the slip, isn't the answer to fit a second towing hitch to the front of the vehicle, and reverse up the slip, to put more weight over the front wheels? Isn't it more about traction than power? I've seen front hitches on some Land Rovers. I guess it's easier if you can see what you're doing, and steering the trailer is easier, too?

    I am trying to picture myself with a junk rigged sailboat and a hitch on the 'wrong' end of the van driving forward into the water.

    I might even get more attention than the guy with the aqua car who is usually there.


    OK, not quite so far into left field is the electric recovery winch commonly carried by off-road 4WD enthusiasts. Park the van on level ground well out of the water, chock the wheels and haul the trailer up the slip with a long Dyneema line.
  • 25 Sep 2018 06:54
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    Reply # 6691185 on 6690833
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    Scott Yellig wrote:

    I am trying to picture myself with a junk rigged sailboat and a hitch on the 'wrong' end of the van driving forward into the water.

    I might even get more attention than the guy with the aqua car who is usually there.


    Your boat ramp entertainment value score has just gone up! 
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