Northeast US boats suitable for conversion

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  • 15 Sep 2018 14:30
    Reply # 6670440 on 4891632

    Also looking at a C&C 25 Mk 1 so I'm  reading this thread in earnest. Did you settle on the c&C?

  • 06 Aug 2017 23:19
    Reply # 5015630 on 4891632

    Gosh, those boats are going cheap.  It's hard to sell small boats any more: by the time you've installed the speed/log, fish finder, AIS, chart plotter, radar, forward-facing echo sounder, vhf, ssb, sat phone, GPS, battery monitor and Navtex, there's nowhere for the crew to sit below!

    However, if you eschew most of the above, you can get a fine boat for very little money in USA and apparently the UK, too.  Even osmosis - if it's not gone too far - isn't that big a deal, and if you can find somewhere inexpensive to haul out and are prepared to put in the hours, you can be afloat for minimal capital outlay.  Boats such as the Cape Dory were built to last - amazing how cheaply they are selling for.

  • 06 Aug 2017 14:28
    Reply # 5014874 on 4891632
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    Craigslist Maine has a Cape Dory 25 in"sailaway" condition for $4500 located in Salem Ma.

    If you should reconsider a project there also is a boat, a Cape Dory 28 on the midcoast listed for 3500.  Ad reads good bones, excellent woodwork, what ever that may mean.  A project boat I once bought was cheap due to some damage but mainly it lacked mast, rigging and sails, just waiting for conversion. Also listed is another CD 28 for 14000.

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  • 28 Jul 2017 21:50
    Reply # 5000632 on 4891632

    David,

    I agree with Phil, about considering Cape Dories – I have two friends who each have a 25 that they have sailed for years, in New England, with great joy. If you plan to sail in Maine, they are worth a look for the keel/rudder arrangement which does not snag lobster gear. They are also quite sturdy and sail well. Also, they have been popular and so are often available with good deals. It would be fantastic to see one converted to JR! A friend with a Cape Dory 28 may put in an appearance at the New England junket, though hers is not junk rigged. One of the 25s is in Gouldsboro Bay – if you happened to be coming this far along the coast, I think that the owner might be happy to show it to you (his is not for sale).

    Shemaya

  • 18 Jul 2017 23:14
    Reply # 4983400 on 4982580
    David Dawes wrote:
    I am o not a fan of boats that sunlight and jack stands can penetrate.

    Well, if you buy fibreglass, they are all translucent.  I agree - it is disconcerting to see the light shining through the hull, and apparently lots of people feel like us: that's why the manufacturers go to so much trouble to line them out and paint the interior with thick coatings!
  • 18 Jul 2017 16:56
    Reply # 4982635 on 4891632
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    Built in Massachusets there are plenty of Cape Dories in New England.  The strongly built 25D or 27 might meet your needs. The earlier 25 with its 7 ft beam has less space below but you are more likely to find a deal there. I think Arne did a sketch for a 27 conversion.

    I'm planning to be at the Sept. Junket in Maine.

    Phil


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  • 18 Jul 2017 16:37
    Reply # 4982580 on 4982533
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    Scott Dufour wrote:

    US East Coast?  I did an awful lot of research on that very question, and my conclusion pointed to Mid 1960s to Late 1970 vintage Pearsons.  If you want truly venerable, a Pearson Triton.

    The Pearson 33, Pearson 32, and Pearson 10M are all at the top end of your size range, strongly built hulls with solid deck to hull joints, generally fast-ish and sea kindly, and generic enough in the interior that you won't feel bad about cutting it up.

    And there's a wealth boats available the 20-30 foot range, too.  Each has it's strengths and weaknesses for various types of sailing, so read up on any that catch your eye.

    Any conversion is going to make a compromise of some sort regarding plunking a mast in the not-quite-optimal interior location.  But start with a well designed hull, properly built, and a deck that ain't rotted.  

    I'm not an old man but I'm going to sound like one here: when it comes to production boats, they don't make them like they used to.

    Also - you might not find your $100 fixit boat on Yachtworld.  Most of them are close to sail-able right away, or they wouldn't be saleable enough to get a broker. Make a habit of driving around the local marinas and looking at the boats on the hard with grass growing under them.  If you find a Pearson tucked in the back corner with the washboards all grey and the hull dull and streaked - that may just be your girl.  Ask the yard manager about her. 

    But just to make my last paragraph have less authority, there are gals like this on Yachtworld:

     http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1977/Pearson-26-SLOOP-2767469/pine-beach/NJ/United-States#.WW4nzIQrJaQ



    Hi Scott I see you are in New London an hour away.  I am not sure if your Pearson 26 illustration is to show good boats can be found or that there are bad boats on Yachtworld that can sail.  I helped a guy with a Pearson 26 once.  The rudder is terrifying and a jack stand had put a dent in the hull.  Now the yard manager said "don't worry that will pop right back out as soon as we lift her" and it did, but I am o not a fan of boats that sunlight and jack stands can penetrate.

    Your Pearson looks great with moderate keel and protected rudder and nice layout.

    But for now I am looking for a "sail home now" boat in usable shape for not a lot of money, maybe trailerable, that I can convert to junk after summer.


    Storage is the big thing in Newport and 25 feet sits on a trailer even a flatbed or is easy to get to and into my yard.

    Plus I am not at the retire and sail away stage.

    I have seen lots of Pearsons and Albergs and they really are wrecks to rebuild.


    Thanks for your reply.  Are you interested in going to the NE junket in September?

    David.


  • 18 Jul 2017 16:12
    Reply # 4982533 on 4891632
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    US East Coast?  I did an awful lot of research on that very question, and my conclusion pointed to Mid 1960s to Late 1970 vintage Pearsons.  If you want truly venerable, a Pearson Triton.

    The Pearson 33, Pearson 32, and Pearson 10M are all at the top end of your size range, strongly built hulls with solid deck to hull joints, generally fast-ish and sea kindly, and generic enough in the interior that you won't feel bad about cutting it up.

    And there's a wealth boats available the 20-30 foot range, too.  Each has it's strengths and weaknesses for various types of sailing, so read up on any that catch your eye.

    Any conversion is going to make a compromise of some sort regarding plunking a mast in the not-quite-optimal interior location.  But start with a well designed hull, properly built, and a deck that ain't rotted.  

    I'm not an old man but I'm going to sound like one here: when it comes to production boats, they don't make them like they used to.

    Also - you might not find your $100 fixit boat on Yachtworld.  Most of them are close to sail-able right away, or they wouldn't be saleable enough to get a broker. Make a habit of driving around the local marinas and looking at the boats on the hard with grass growing under them.  If you find a Pearson tucked in the back corner with the washboards all grey and the hull dull and streaked - that may just be your girl.  Ask the yard manager about her. 

    But just to make my last paragraph have less authority, there are gals like this on Yachtworld:

     http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1977/Pearson-26-SLOOP-2767469/pine-beach/NJ/United-States#.WW4nzIQrJaQ

    Or, oh boy!  An Alberg designed Pearson Ariel just waiting to get reworked into a junk.  This is one tough boat.   http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1977/Pearson-26-SLOOP-2767469/pine-beach/NJ/United-States#.WW4nzIQrJaQ


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  • 18 Jul 2017 15:47
    Reply # 4982486 on 4981483
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    Annie Hill wrote:
    David Dawes wrote:

    Hi Further to below, is anybody familiar with the Canadian built C&C 24 or 25 Mark 1?  Several are for sale near me.

    I am prepared to lower my length requirement for an interim boat just to get going.

    http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=412

    http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=611

    And does anyone have an opinion on their suitability for a tough costal cruiser suitable for junk conversion?


    Pluses:

    Headroom, fast hull good to windward, outboard, tiller steering with simple transom rudder.

    Minuses: How well are keels attached (I wanted encapsulated)?  Rudder is unprotected by keel/ keg so vulnerable.  Is the hull strong enough for coastal work?

    Aim is a simple boat that can take me to Atlantic Canada and let me play with junk rig for small investment.


    At the risk of offending I find the US boats like O'Days, Catalinas, etc to be poorly build compared to UK counterparts.


    Thanks,

    David Dawes.

    Why not contact some owners?  I'm sure they'll have a group.

    Plenty of the larger ones have crossed oceans.  If the keel of the ones you look at have no obvious weeping, cracks, etc, then they are probably OK.  Most of the boats in the yard where I'm building have no skegs and have crossed the Pacific, but in your case you will have nets and fish/lobster trap pots to worry about which is probably more of any issue.  At least with a transom-hung rudder you can get a bread knife lashed to a boat hook down to it.

    The coast that you are intending to sail has plenty of harbours and access to continuous weather forecasts.  There's probably more of an issue with too little wind than too much.

    Modern boats are probably much more seaworthy than the ones that people learnt to sail in 60 years ago - and most of those survived to buy better boats!


    All great points Annie.  That Raven 26 Fantail really did have great accom, nice wood and strength for 26 feet.  Hard to find something here.  C&C is well regarded here.
  • 18 Jul 2017 15:45
    Reply # 4982483 on 4982392
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    David,

    I think both the 24 and the 25 look good. The rudders, although not protected by a skeg, are still quite well protected by the fin keel. Besides, they are both transom-hung, which makes it a lot easier to remove them for repair than a rudder with a shaft going through the bottom of the hull. The rudders look big and balanced, so should control the boat nicely, even with a big JRs fitted.

    If it were my money, I think I would prefer the 25 as it seems easier to find a good place for the JR mast without the hatch getting in the way.

    Arne

    Plus it is 1000 pounds heavier and a more substantial boat.  24 VS 25 may be decided by what is available.  Thank you for the rig input.
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