Arne Kverneland wrote:

Steve,

what I wrote about skinny bows and broad sterns does not, in my view, apply to your  little TS16.  It has a decent spare volume in the bow, and besides, this is a very small boat which is much affected by the weight of the crew: More often than not, these boats rather tend to get tail-heavy with 2-3 people in the cockpit. The rudder looks good and should cope. Just make sure it is lowered all the way down and forward, to minimise tiller forces.

As for tabernacle, since the mast will weigh only around 15kg, I would just make the ‘tabernacle’ as a tube, from bottom of the boat, to about 50cm above deck. I would just insert the mast into that tube. Some sort of support lines will help you from losing control. In NL 20 there is a description of such a tube tabernacle.  The clever thing with this tube tabernacle is that it is easy to lower the furled sail bundle onto deck, with the batten parrels still  holding it in place, clutching to the protruding stub of the tabernacle.

Small is beautiful  -  and simple  -  no need to make a miniature 30-footer. Just remember, this design was meant to be  used as a daysailer-weekender, that is, sailed no more than 2-3 hours away from sheltered waters.

Arne

 

Thanks Arne, that clarification re the hull design on the Hartley is welcome. I do know that in the Hartley community there is an understanding that (at least for racing versions) one needs to hike out pretty well in strong winds to keep her upright. However cruising versions seem to have a little more ballast and don't require this so much. I want to add another margin of safety by installing the junk rig.

I don't intend to try to make my little boat into an ocean cruiser, but to be able to sail a few hours from point to point across a coastal gulf or across to a close-in island will greatly increase my sense of adventure. I do think this is achievable with the Hartley 16.

Thanks for the simple tabernacle idea. Seems to be pretty close to what I have on my little 11ft sailing dinghy, except without the tube. A tube sitting just a bit proud off the deck will reduce wash and rain getting below deck too, which won't be a bad thing.  

Welcome on board, Steve.  It's good to hear of someone with a daysailer going for junk rig.  Small boats, like the one you have, can as soon have overcrowded cockpits with a conventional rig, with people having to duck and dive as sheets are cast off and sheeted in and trying not to sit on the jib sheets or get a clout round the head from the stopper knot. 

I once owned a 20 foot boat with the mast in a tabernacle, and it was a delight.  We didn't trailer sail her, which requires slightly different priorities, but would just find a high point from where we could take a line to lower the mast.  We then tied the sail bundle to the mast and moved it so that the heel was over the bow and the top over the stern.  This mats was off centre, which was an advantage when chugging along canals in France, because it meant there was a comfortable space for the helmsman on one side of the cockpit.

Arne's idea of shoving one tube down another and simply hoiking the mast out sounds like the simplest solution.  In this case, for the person doing the lifting, Tall is Beautiful :-)

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Arne Kverneland wrote:

Steve,

a Hartley 16, trailer sailer? Back in around 1970 my eldest brother handed me a design catalogue; “Boatbuilding with Hartley” (6^th edition, 1967). Luckily, I have kept it. It is divided about 50-50 between plywood and ferrocement designs. The 16TS is there, for sure. Unfortunately there is no direct profile view with sail plan, but I am sure she would be easy to fit with a junkrig, some 12 – 17sqm, depending on displacement and ballast. If you are to trail it, I guess you want some quick way of lowering the mast, but it should not be too difficult to sort out. Small is beautiful, in this respect.

Cheers, Arne

PS: Now I found the sailplan and details: Disp.= 800lbs and SA=180sqft; that is 363kg and 16.7m2 in my money. The junkrig mast would fit through the deck, right in front of the cabin. Hopefully that will not collide with the interior. Remember, you can also offset the unstayed mast  to one side, a bit, if necessary.

 

 Thank you Arne. I have just been reading your introductory material on this site. One thing I was a bit worried about with the TS16 is that with a wide aft and sharp bow they do need to be watched in heavy weather as they are not well balasted and with the beamy aft they can tend to steer downward into waves as your quote from Bolger indicates. Two things I was planning to do to try to make mine more of a cruiser and less of a racer was to increase the balast somewhat by replacing the steel plate centreboard with a heavier one, and to re-rig her with something that is able to respond quickly to rapid changes in wind conditions, which is a feature of our local gulf water area in South Australia. It looks like the JR is the perfect solution to at least the rig question.

I figured the position of the mast to be as you indicate, just in front of the cabin. that area is not difficult to strengthen with some timberwork under the foredeck, and the mast would not intrude into living space, just into some storage space, which is a compromise I am happy to make.

I was thinking of maybe a tabernacle for the mast, but I don't really want the complexity of cutting a slot in the foredeck to allow for the mast base to swing through.

What do you think of a tabernacle with high cheeks? The tabernacle suport can still be mounted through the deck, but the mast base itself would just sit at deck level within the Tabernacle. A light aluminium tapered flagpole would offset the weight of the tabernacle and woodwork below deck so the balance would not be shifted too far forward.

The other alternative is to simply step the mast through the deck, which would be easier than a tabernacle, but I think it might be harder to mount and dismount the mast.

Your thoughts?

Hello all. I am a brand new member and equally new to the idea of Junk sails. I have recently taken over ownership of a Hartley TS16 which is currently 1/2 sloop rigged. I was initially looking to build a new boat but this one was such a great deal I couldn't pass it up. She's 45 years old but in excellent condition. I have sailed leg-o-mutton sprit rigs on small boats and love the ease of a single unstayed mast over a rig with a mess of wires everywhere. I was going to convert this one to a balanced lug or Gaff but I am intrigued with junk rigs and have begun looking into these as an option.

I am going to need help with both deciding whether to convert to a junk rig, and then which particular rig to convert to.

Are there any members there who have junk rigs on this style of boat, especially in Australia? Otherwise, can anyone give me any tips on how to go about making a decision regarding a junk sail option for this boat?